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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jbe who wrote (8006)	10/7/1998 4:53:00 PM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

Bork is considered a greater authority on Constitutional Law than Sunstein and he disgrees with him. Seems that both Hillary and Bill are on record as agreeing that Sunstein is wrong and Bork-Turley are correct re:impeachment. btw, there is not doubt that the Left has targeted Turley because they regard him as so very very effective and reputable.

To: jbe who wrote (8006)	10/7/1998 4:54:00 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 13994

Sounds like Turley and I would have many things on which to disagree. Fortunately, impeaching Clinton would not be one.

To: jbe who wrote (8006)	10/7/1998 5:12:00 PM
From: Doughboy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13994

I actually meant to also include some U of Chicago professors like Sunstein and Geoffrey Stone. As I am trying to make clear to Zoltan--but he his right now so blinded by rage he can't stop to think straight--I am not waging war on Clinton's critics; I am simply grinding an axe I have with media whores like Turley. Appropos to Zoltan's last message, a story is passed along by each class of Yale law (possibly aprocryphal) that Tony Kronman (now the Dean of YLS) was arrested on the night before his wedding because he got into a little drunken tiff at his bachelor party. Kronman is an expert in Federal Civil Procedure. He called his good friends Geoffrey Hazard and Bruce Ackerman to help him out--also leading lights in constitutional and procedural law. Putting their heads together, the three had no idea how to bail Kronman out of jail or how an arraignment worked. Kronman spent his wedding day in jail. Doughboy.

To: jbe who wrote (8006)	10/7/1998 6:33:00 PM
From: j_b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

An interesting article/editorial was in yesterday's Investor's Business Daily regarding whether perjury would qualify as a high crime etc. It was written by Steve Chabot, a Republican Congressman (obviously an unbiased source <g>). Here is the meat of the piece: The U.S. Court of Appeals expressed similar sentiments in United States v. Manfredonia, stating, "It is for the wrong done to the courts and the administration of justice that punishment is given, not for the effect that any particular testimony might have on the outcome of any given trial." As a crime against the state, perjury was directly described as a high misdemeanor at its inception in 15th century England. The high misdemeanor description of perjury is significant. While considered a serious offense, perjury was not labeled a felony because the common law courts would have commanded exclusive jurisdiction. Instead, perjury was classified a "high misdemeanor." In Hourie v. State, the Maryland Supreme Court gives us a historic perspective on what it called "the high misdemeanor of perjury." The court said that "the phrase 'high misdemeanor' connoted a new crime that was just as grave, in terms of its social consequences and in terms of its potential punishment, as the more ancient felonies themselves." When state governments were first being established in the early days of the American republic, perjury also was regularly listed in their constitutions as a "high crime or misdemeanor" or some very similar phrase. The House and Senate also have clearly determined that perjury is an impeachable offense. Less than 10 years ago, the House of Representatives impeached Federal District Judge Walter Nixon. The articles of impeachment included two charges of giving false testimony to a grand jury. The Senate convicted on those counts and removed Judge Nixon from office.