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To: Grainne who wrote (25413)	10/11/1998 1:03:00 AM
From: Lady Lurksalot	Respond to of 108807

CGB, Re our tobacco discussions over the months, I offer this URL to a downloadable book written by a very impressively credentialed guy, Lauren A. Colby. I think you'll find the book enlightening--particularly with reference to those 53,000 deaths we discussed. For reasons too numerous and ponderous to go into on this thread, I would recommend this well-researched and well-documented book as a must-read for everyone. lcolby.com Re flu vaccine: Not all flu vaccines use killed virii. There are, as you surely know, many different strains of flu, caused by as many different bugs. As a notable aside, several years ago there was a spate of polio among parents whose children's polio inoculations had consisted of the type using the live virus. It was kept very hush-hush outside of the inner medical circles. I think that is outrageous (a euphemism). I shall pass the ball to Alex re your advocating that students learn the sciences in "experiential" ways, rather than beginning with a solid foundation of proven and accepted scientific facts. I will say that I am ROFLOL at what I am conjuring up in my mind's eye at the mere thought of such heresy! But then, I do have a rather vivid imagination. Promise me, Christine dearest, you will study Colby's online book and give us your best objective opinion on what he has to say. BTW, how goes it with your conversion to vegetarianism? Holly

To: Grainne who wrote (25413)	10/12/1998 2:13:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	1 Recommendation Respond to of 108807

My flu could have been a VERY nasty cold. I use a "practical" discriminator between cold and flu - if I just can't drag my ass out of bed, it's a flu. This might be medically not rigorous (read: wrong), but hey, it works for me! I have very mixed feelings about the tobacco law. On the one hand, I don't like tobacco smoke (make that cigarette smoke. Cigar smoke has a refreshingly honest quality about it - providing the cigar is, uhm, unadulterated)in my face or hair. At the same time I don't want to see the average citizen's right to keep&bear tobacco products completely overturned. My approach to tobacco would be a lot like the way I'd approach, say, jet skis. A bar or restaurant should be allowed a smoking section if positive ventilation provisions are installed - like a big exhaust fan in the back of the bldg. That way smoke will be drawn up&out - and waiters and kids would get negligible exposure. All this hinges on a good vent system. They exist because I work in one. The solvent fumes go away from me. Jet skis should be regulated like cars imho. Cars have been brought to the point where emissions other than CO2 abd H2O are vanishingly small. New cars are practically odorless, have you noticed? A jet ski with a good muffler (for sound) and a catalytic converter, fuel injection, emissions system and a gas tank canister filter (all for emission control) leaves practically no footprint. The fun factor is still there, and the environmental liability is lifted at a cost of $500-1000 per vehicle. I can't imagine the jet ski owner who wouldn't pony up a 10% charge per boat to give his sport a big face lift. Finally - jet ski access can be regulated/prohibited in environmentally sensitive areas, like kelp beds or endangered species habitats. But a well-prepared jet ski will be no louder or dirtier than a sailboat!

To: Grainne who wrote (25413)	10/12/1998 5:47:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>>"Now, some good news on the smoking front. Contrary to what the smoking lobby is telling us, a new Field Poll shows that a majority of smokers like the nonsmoking laws in California bars. According to a Field Research Corp. poll, 65% of bar patrons surveyed approve of the law prohibiting smoking in bars and taverns."<< That makes a lot of sense Christine. In other words, 100% of 65 non-smokers approve of the law and 100% of 35 smokers disapprove of the law. Aren't statistics wonderful? The poll is worthless unless it specified the number and percentage of smokers sitting at the bar. Jim