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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (8150)	10/12/1998 8:43:00 AM
From: j g cordes	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 13994

Michael and Dwight.. I agree with your principles but tell me, where as a society do we draw the line. Lets not get crazy with this discussion because it really isn't clear cut. Certainly court testimony is a level of testing. What of other lies, much of life is a subtle deception.. nor am I twisting words here. Men lie to women on their promises and achievements, women lie to men. Do we eventually ban breast implants? Do we only hold the line at courtroom or deposition lies for dismissal of those in office, or are other lies grounds? Gingrich, Lyndon Johnson with the Vietnam War, Mayor Daly, etc. What of honesty in the Church? In a confessional does one first grill the Priest, then find out the source of the money, even contributions from possible criminal sources that built the church before rejecting God? What are the lines between lies, retribution, forgiveness, faith and moving on with the present? There are absolute responses to all of these issues and there are practical solutions. Remember the phrase "Time Waits for No Man." The same is true of the present, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next two years.... there's work not being done, which is also a betrayal of responsibility. I know a couple, as I'm sure you do, that argued with such anger over a five year period that their children were taken from them and they lost their home. Looking back it was because he lied about an office relationship and she lied about her's with her attorney. The suffering exceeded the lies, that's the truth.

To: greenspirit who wrote (8150)	10/12/1998 2:52:00 PM
From: Borzou Daragahi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13994

Michael, I guess it all depends on your perspective and what you value, and what values you want to see in your leaders. For example, I would find it harder to say "Yes, son. I knew he carpet-bombed Mesopotamia to hell in order to protect his buddies in Kuwait and Bahrain," or "Yes, son, I know he allowed his cabinet to do defy Congress and authorize a secret and illegal war against Indian peasanta in Central America," or "Yes, son, I know he directly authorized the bombing of a country we had no gripe against whatsoever," than "Yes, son, I know he cheated on his wife and lied about it under oath." My point is that your cherished presidency, to me and to a lot of people all over the world, has NEVER been an office vaunted for its particular adherence to morality or law, espcially international law. So please, pretty please, give up the high-minded rhetoric. You're obviously an extremely intelligent and eloquent person. And I know you're right to believe that the president or any leader should adhere to such values and principles. But the truth is few if any presidents actually have.