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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (9114)10/12/1998 10:56:00 PM
From: Zoltan!  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 67261
 
Silicon Valley backs Lungren as Davis scares them:

Published Monday, October 12, 1998, in the San Jose Mercury News

Lungren gets tech support

Campaign boost: Republican has more than 80
Silicon Valley executives on his side.


BY PHILIP J. TROUNSTINE
Mercury News Political Editor

In 1992, then-Gov. Bill Clinton made a huge splash by announcing
support from a small but significant group of Silicon Valley executives,
including some big-name Republicans. Since then, the Democrats
have sought to convey the notion that they are the preferred party
among high-tech leaders.

But as Attorney General Dan Lungren will demonstrate today, when
he unveils an impressive list of more than 80 executives, including
some of the most prominent leaders in Silicon Valley, it wasn't true
then and it isn't true today.

Lungren's list does not demonstrate the crossover appeal that Clinton
had. But the group's statement of support -- citing the Republican
attorney general's stands on shareholder lawsuits, free trade, charter
schools, taxes and regulation -- makes it clear that they prefer
Lungren over Democratic Lt. Gov. Gray Davis.

''I think he's shown that he's a very practical guy in understanding our
issues quickly,'' said venture capitalist Floyd Kvamme of Kleiner
Perkins Caufield & Byers. As for Davis, he said, ''Every time you
turn around you see him talking to the AFL-CIO.''

Davis' campaign manager, Garry South, made light of Lungren's
support in the valley. ''Fundamentally, business executives tend to be
Republicans. Who can deny that?'' he said. ''And even though some
Silicon Valley business people like Lungren on business issues, they
do not feel particularly comfortable with his right-wing views on social
issues.''

Among those who are throwing their weight behind Lungren -- some
of whom will join the attorney general at Varian Associates Inc. in
Palo Alto this morning -- are James Barksdale of Netscape
Communications Corp., John Chambers of Cisco Systems Inc., Wilf
Corrigan of LSI Logic Corp., Thomas Ford of Ford Land Co.,
James Morgan of Applied Materials Inc., Lewis Platt and John
Young of Hewlett-Packard Co.

''Attorney General Dan Lungren understands Silicon Valley and has a
proven record of standing up for our interests,'' they say in an ad
running in today's Mercury News. ''We need him to continue to work
for us in Sacramento.''

Business leaders' views on Davis can be boiled down even further to
five words, said Lungren campaign adviser Dan Schnur: ''Supreme
Court Justice Bill Lerach.''

Trial lawyer Lerach, a strong Davis supporter, is one of the most
reviled names among Silicon Valley executives because he is known
as the king of shareholder lawsuits against high-tech companies.

Davis is vulnerable to the perception that he is beholden to Lerach
and the trial lawyers, in part because in 1996 he refused to take a
stand on Proposition 211. The measure, sponsored by Lerach, would
have made it easier to prevail in shareholder lawsuits, commonly
called ''strike suits.'' Lungren opposed the proposition, which Silicon
Valley and other companies spent about $40 million to defeat.

Now, said South, ''Gray favors a national approach to strike suits.''
As for Proposition 211, ''He didn't want to take a position on it.''

That stand -- which Clinton eschewed in the face of losing support
from Silicon Valley -- still rankles Kvamme and others. ''He didn't do
anything on Proposition 211,'' Kvamme said. ''If you're not with us,
you're against us.''

South said Davis also has considerable support in Silicon Valley. He
noted, for example, that the lieutenant governor held a fundraiser at
the home of Netscape founder Marc Andreessen with Vice President
Al Gore. But he added, it's no secret that Davis does better on the
shop floor than in the board room.

''The big business people, God bless 'em, they do a good job but
they're Republicans,'' South said. ''And we're going to kick his butt in
Silicon Valley among the voters.''

At another Silicon Valley event, on Sunday, Lungren focused on more
ethereal topics. Accompanied by his son, Jeff, he spoke at the
Cathedral of Faith Christian church in San Jose. His wife, Bobbi, was
speaking elsewhere during their Bay Area visit.

While Lungren got kudos for his comments at two morning services,
it's not certain he gained any converts.

Kevin Kittila, 33, a five-year member of the congregation and student
at San Jose City College, was impressed with Lungren's message but
said he's still likely to vote for Davis.

''I'm adamantly opposed to the death penalty. I think Davis is less
likely to go with it than Lungren would,'' he said.

Perhaps trying to soften a tough-on-crime stance that has alienated
some voters, Lungren told the congregation there's a ''mistaken''
impression in society that if you're involved in the punishment of crime,
then you're against prevention. Lungren said he supports both.

While Lungren is spending millions of dollars on pro-death-penalty,
tough-on-crime ads on television, he offered a softer message
Sunday. There's a ''mistaken'' impression in society that if you're
involved in the punishment of crime, then you're against prevention,
Lungren told the congregation. He said he supported both.

California can have all the police, jails and prisons it needs and still not
solve the social problems behind crime, he said.

''We have something called the separation of church and state and
that's good. The government shouldn't establish a state church. But
the separation of church and state doesn't mean the separation of God
from us. It doesn't mean the separation of God from the public
arena,'' he said.

Church member Jackie Russo was moved but not swayed to commit
to a vote for Lungren.

''I still need to know a little more about him. I think it's good that he
has his faith. But it's easy to say. It's all about keeping your word.''
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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (9114)10/13/1998 12:16:00 PM
From: one_less  Respond to of 67261
 
Yes Michelle, I was referencing your post on the gruesome baseball bat killing of thirty cats by teenagers. I was not comparing this crime with BC's behavior.

I have said many times that there is a difference between condoning lies and being suspicious that the world isn't totally just. You have said as many times that you don't care if BC is lying. You are pleased that we have a good economy and you are afraid of what would happen to the fabric of the American culture if BC is unseated.

Teenagers are particularly sensitive to what is going on. They are forming their adult identity. Part of the time they think they are an adult in charge of their lives. When things aren't working well they retreat back to their child identity (not responsible) where it's safer. There are two main influences on them to help form their identity. One is the standards of society, filtered by parents, roll models and media. The other is peer group support, which is largely experimental.

Every generation looks to the preceeding generation for standards and values. They typically sort through it all and do a pretty good job of giving the boot to archaic, useless societal practices. Music and art ussually mock the traditions of every generation, and when something catches on everybody rides the wave. Great, we are an adaptive species.

When the torch bearers for societies standards begin to model selectivity toward respect for standards it sends mixed messages to the youth. When the behavior of the roll models in society is not responsive to the standards, youth pay very close attention. As you know one of the elemental needs of youth is to test standards to see if they are real. If they suspect that we, the non-criminal roll models in society, are hypocrits about the standards we are holding them to, what do you think happens? Look at history. Open rebellion, chaos, revolution. It doesn't happen in a day. There can be decades of frustration and sensless acting out.

So, you gave a good example of sensless acting out by some obviously frustrated teens. You are outraged that they didn't get a clear message that this society doesn't tolerate such actions. Me too.

What I'm trying to point out to you is that there is no more basic standard than trust. When it is gone, you have zero that you can hold anyone to as far as standards. What can people get away with when they decide not to take personal responsibility for some standards? A lot, murder included. Do you think the fabric of this society is strong enough to control any of us if we decide to see what we can get away with? Well, if its one or two of us, we eventually get caught after we've done lots of damage and gotten away with it. What about when its alot more than one or two of us. What about if we invite a whole generation to do that. What if they don't care about your "good economy."

You can't tell the youth that it is acceptable for the president to lie to our faces, justified by this, that, or the other; but be kind to the kitty or we'll kick your butts. If they are not into cats and this, that, or the other, political platform are not relevant to them; what have you left them with? Hypocrisy, no standards, an open invitation to see what they can get away with. They aren't afraid of the police. They don't care about socio-politico issues. They will deal with what comes as needed. There are pockets of this all over the country right now. Some of these young people, change as they grow to want the same kind of life you have. Some don't believe its going to work for them, and remain frustrated and rebellious throughout adulthood. As long as that is a small minority, we call them criminals. When it's not we call it a revolution. Are you ready to be the usherette when we turn this corner. I'm too old for it.

Although I am outraged as you are by this behavior (of the courts and the teens), I'm not surprised by it.