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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (9208)	10/13/1998 2:48:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

<<Where does it say children are better off with a mother and father anyway vs. one of these "extended families" so to speak.>> A mother and father are usually considered the core of an extended family. Traditionally extended family means Grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and inlaws may be closely involved with family life even to the extent of living within the core household. Are you refering to a new definition of "extended family" and if so are you suggesting it offers the same support and stability? Where does it say children are better off being raised by a single mother? Although I am sure there are exceptions, I think social services statistics can give you glaring evidence on this.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (9208)	10/13/1998 3:02:00 PM
From: mrknowitall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Michelle <<OT>> That is not what you said! You said: "Almost every really successful woman I know is in their 30s and single." Granted, you didn't say whether or not they had children, but since the majority of married women do have children with their husbands, your statement implies that the "really successful" women you know don't have children. Which points up the issue of the supposed "republican" family values you seem to have so much difficulty with -- I strongly suspect that you do not believe a woman can (or is entitled to) "succeed" if she adopts "traditional" values that include marriage and the raising of children. I also suspect you also resent women who have succeeded in both their career and family lives, or you feel that they had some other kind of advantage which allowed them to "get ahead" and that for those reasons you resent anyone who validates "family values." I have some personal experience with "extended" families. We have been fortunate enough to help others, including young women who did not take the traditional "family values" path and also did not take the "new morality" path when in came to abortion (and not from some biblical RR zealotry or through organized religion, either). Those experiences, especially the hard, cold facts that surround very young women who "get into trouble" were an enlightening experience for our children. Thus, we have an "extended family" of sorts, but universally, we know none of them would recommend arriving at this situation by going through it again. I have to admit, being a sort-of-grandpa (or uncle) is interesting and can be fun, but I know the kids with their own fathers in their lives are having an easier time of it than those that don't. JMO Mr. K.