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To: Pravin Kamdar who wrote (39230)	10/13/1998 10:37:00 PM
From: Robert Chen	Respond to of 1573708

What do you think of the Jalapeno compared to the K7? How do you think that they will compete? How can they compete? By the time Jalapeno gets to market, K7 will be selling for a year.

To: Pravin Kamdar who wrote (39230)	10/13/1998 10:53:00 PM
From: Maxwell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573708

Pravin: <<What do you think of the Jalapeno compared to the K7? How do you think that they will compete? Will the Jalapeno only be able to knock out the K6-3, or will it be able to compete with the K7 in the mid- to high-end desktop and single processor workstation markets?>> I've been studying the Jalapeno and it looks like a good chip. The Jalapeno looks alot like the K6-3. It has 6 execution units and can issue 2 X86 instructions. It has 256K L2 like K6-3. The advantage of that Jalapeno is that it has the memory controller on the chip so the latency of memory to CPU is reduced. It also has the graphic controller which reduces the cost of the over system. Also Jalapeno can go beyond 600MHz. One disadvantage over the MII or K6-2 is that the Jalapeno has only 32K L1 cache (16K I/16K D). I am still not sure whether Jalapeno is socket 7 or slot 1. I am not sure on the FPU either till the benchmark is out. I also don't think Jalapeno is SMP. IMO the Jalapeno will compete well with the K6-3 but the timing for it is kind of late, sampling in Q4-1999? Jalapeno system on chip will fill in the niche market which AMD and Intel have completely ignored. This market will be huge. Jalapeno will not compete with K7 till NSM can make it SMP. K7 on the other hand is one potent chip. AMD is attacking Intel head to head with the K7 while Cyrix smartly pioneering into an untapped market. Maxwell

To: Pravin Kamdar who wrote (39230)	10/13/1998 11:51:00 PM
From: Ali Chen	Respond to of 1573708

Pravin, <Will the Jalapeno only be able to knock out the K6-3> I must apologize to Cyrix/NSM fans, but I do not think the Jalapeno will ever knock anything out. This is not about how much L1/L2 will it have, nor how many execution units will be inside. My experience with Cyrix processors was always two-fold. On one hand, their performance per clock looks very good, at least on business workloads. However, the overall system stability was always very poor. I do not know how they run their post-silicon validation, but I feel that the I/O signal integrity is at big question at Cyrix, plus thermal problems, etc, etc. The whole Cyrix line will remain a non-issue unless they will take serious measures to enhance their systems engineering. IMHO.