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To: Savant who wrote (2689)	10/15/1998 7:01:00 PM
From: Apex	Respond to of 4201

No, no, no, Q-tips were not available at that time and if they were, they'd have to be elephant size...lol

To: Savant who wrote (2689)	10/15/1998 7:28:00 PM
From: Apex	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4201

Hey mister, got a cookie to spare? Beat it kid! Borrowed from Cheeky Kid #reply-6021106 I HATE COOKIES !! From Cookie Central: cookiecentral.com So you're surfing the web with Netscape alerting you when encountering a cookie, and you are frequently warned that "focalink.com" was trying to place information in your Cookie file. As far as you know, you had never visited focalink.com. The warning came up only when you are viewing seemingly unrelated Web sites, and the information focalink.com wanted to store looked like a list of graphics files. Who are focalink.com, and why are they trying to give you a Cookie? The answer, after some investigation, can be found at the top of the Web pages which you're viewing: the advertisements. Eventhough you are viewing, say, lycos site, some of the ads were being retrieved from a server at Focalink Communications Inc. Other users have encountered similar mysterious messages, from sites like ad.doubleclick.net (DoubleClick Inc.) , interse.com (Interse Corp.) and smartad. All of these organizations bill themselves as "targeted marketing" companies. What they are doing is managing the presentation of advertisements to users. ===== focalink.com ===== From Netscape's "Smart Browsing" FAQ's: home.netscape.com I'm concerned about privacy. Is What's Related tracking my use of the web? No personal information about you is gathered when you use What's Related. Only the URL you are viewing and your current web address (it changes every time you connect) is sent to the Netscape system so that it can send you a list of related sites. ===================================== (Cheeky Kid's comments below) You know what, this all kind of SUCKS. Data mining, cookies, the list goes on. Who cares? I DO!!! Why should we participate in target marketing??? It is so easy on the Internet, it just runs in the background while you surf. Kind of like the Nelson Ratings, but no work on your part. You don't get paid to supply these organizations with your precious / valuable data, all they are doing is making your life easier so you can see adds geared up for your lifestyle. It use to cost allot of money to do this before the Internet came along. WELL....The day they start PAYING me to use the Internet is the day I will turn ON my Cookies, turn ON Smart Browsing, and participate IN polls, and surveys. The GREAT thing about living in a free society, we can TURN IT OFF....... that's IF you know what's going on behind the scenes. So start learning. Until the day comes when I get paid for my service of supplying marketing data, I just want to thank Netscape / Microsoft for the FREE data mining browsers.

To: Savant who wrote (2689)	10/17/1998 3:20:00 AM
From: The Osprey	Respond to of 4201

Savant, Too much Viagra really takes a toll on one the next day Apex told me.Like the stock market.Up and down and up and down and then the shorters take over and make a mess of it all.

To: Savant who wrote (2689)	10/18/1998 2:36:00 AM
From: Apex	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4201

Where the heck is Savvy? Having a cookie fight...lol ==== Some info on Netscape and Cookies Compiled from "Welcome to Silicon Investor!" #Subject-16294. Got to thank Cheeky Kid for most of the info. Don't forget to read SI's cookie policy at the bottom of the post. ============================ Ref. on cookies Borrowed form Cheeky Kid #reply-6033018: ==== No Cookies, NO SERVICE Use Live update at Netscape, and if you turn off your cookies you will get this message and live update will stop: Not Accepting Cookies? Your browser preferences are currently set to "not accept cookies". In order to register with Netcenter and to access many of the Netcenter services, you will need to accept cookies. If you want to find out more about cookies and how to change the cookie settings on your browser, please see our Cookie FAQ. Once you have set your browser to accept cookies, click your browser's Back button and begin this process again. So your surfing the Internet with "cookies DISABLED" or "WARN before accepting a cookie" then you hit a site and get " Do you want to accept so and so cookie, blah blah blah?........You click NO about a hundred times, then the site will let you in or it will give a message that the site will not function unless you "accept" their cookies. People who surf the web just don't get the big picture here. Yes, you can disable your cookies, or warn before accepting a cookie, but you pay for it as inconvenience or the site will not work. Websites WILL function without cookies!!!! The Big Picture: Cookies are for a companies benefit NOT yours. $CREW COOKIES, for more information see: cookiecentral.com zdnet.com Invasion of privacy doesn't matter if you don't see it, right?? ==== Past ref. to cookies: #reply-6034096 ============================ Another cookie ref. care of Cheeky Kid: ==== ""Brad, another thing on cookie login. What if other people are around who have access to your computer and you have "cookies enabled", so now they have access to your account and could post under your name without you knowing. Why have the door always opened??? Keep it locked until the key is inserted!! ============================ Another cookie ref. care of Len: ==== I allow cookies that only go back to the originating server, but I make my cookies.txt file (Netscape) read only. While I don't know how that tricks other sites into thinking I am accepting their cookies, I have not come across a site that I had to change settings to get into. ============================ Netscape ref. care of Brad Dryer: ==== That can happen now if you leave your browser open. Plus, sometimes Netscape remembers your UserId/password even though you close and reopen the browser (due to a bug, it doesn't always fully close...Windows thinks that a copy is still open). ============================ More on cookies care of Cheeky Kid: ==== What are cookies? According to Netscape: To put it more plainly, a cookie is a mechanism that allows a web site to record your comings and goings, usually without your knowledge or consent. The following resources will provide you with additional information, and suggestions on how to "toss your cookies." epic.org ============================ Check this out: Computer privacy - #reply-6034938 Marketing - #reply-6034997 More privacy - #reply-6035116 and more - #reply-6042325 and more - #reply-6049886 Netscape - #reply-6051154 and more on privacy - #reply-6054411 ============================ SI and policy on cookies: #reply-6033664 To: Cheeky Kid (2885 ) From: Brad Dryer Thursday, Oct 15 1998 Reply # of 2940 > New upgrade...neat....but No cookies right ???? Actually, we're thinking about moving to a cookie-based login system so that people have the option of being permanently logged in...now would be a good time to give an argument as to why we shouldn't.