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To: Mark Oliver who wrote (1094)10/20/1998 12:24:00 PM
From: Mark Oliver  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2025
 
Could AMD mount a credible challenge to Intel??? Can they make a chip for a profit, and can they stop low balling the prices and still take market share? Has Intel lost momentum by slipping on Merced or have they exceeded market need and plan to retrench? Still wondering who IBM will partner with now that Cyrix has cancelled their relationship.

Regards,

Mark

AMD's New Muscle Puts Heat On Intel

From Page One of Electronic News: October 19, 1998 Issue

By Robert Ristelhueber

The gang that couldn't shoot straight might be starting to make Intel sweat.

During a panel session at last week's Microprocessor Forum, a representative of the world's mightiest microprocessor maker found himself on the defensive, insisting that his company's next chip would keep up with Advanced Micro Device's upcoming K7 device. "I believe we have a competitive product," said Srinivas Raman, manager of Intel's microprocessor architecture and validation groups.

Even the notion of such a scene would have been absurd only a year ago. AMD had once again stumbled, shooting itself in the foot by failing to achieve adequate yields with its K6 processor. Memories of the company's K5 debacle were still fresh in industry minds. Intel was at the height of its power and prosperity, and AMD couldn't seem to lay a glove on its arch-rival.

Yet last week, moderator Michael Slater questioned whether Intel had the right stuff. "In looking at the K7, it appears to be in some ways a more complex and sophisticated micro-architecture than the P6," Mr. Slater said, questioning why Intel was relying on tweaks of its P6 architecture with the upcoming Katmai instead of redesigning the micro-architecture this year as AMD has done. Mr. Raman simply replied that the Katmai/Tanner extensions would be up to the challenge.

To be sure, Intel still dwarfs AMD in market share, revenues and profits, and nobody expects that to change any time soon. But the past year has seen the emergence of a significantly more confident and competitive AMD. For the first time in recent memory, it is turning out original designs that are equal to, and in some cases superior to those of Intel, despite Intel's massive advantage in engineering depth.

For OEMs, this is providing more options but also more complications. Because of the resurgence of AMD, and new parts from Cyrix, IDT and Rise Technology, computer makers are going to have to juggle inventory to accommodate the new choices, from chipsets to printed circuit boards. But Intel's death grip, dictating what technology OEMs would use, appears to be loosening.

Early this year, AMD apparently caught Intel off-guard in the low-end of the PC market, taking a sizable chunk of that emerging segment. Then, it took the initiative by convincing Cyrix and IDT to drop their competing technologies and line up behind AMD's 3DNow. Intel is still playing catch-up there.

The K7, described at length at the Forum, is AMD's first serious attempt to compete with Intel at the high-end. Scheduled for introduction in the first half of next year, the chip is said to run at 500MHz in a 0.25-micron process. It will be transitioned to 0.18-micron in the second half of the year.

Dirk Meyer, director of engineering for the K7, claimed at the panel that the chip will outperform Katmai even when both are running at 500MHz. That allegedly will be accomplished by features including a superscalar pipeline, large on-chip L1 cache, and the 200MHz EV6 Alpha bus interface.

"The K7 could be a real comer, especially using the Alpha bus," commented Nathan Brookwood, principal at Insight 64, based in Saratoga, Calif. "It will have multiprocessor capabilities that AMD has ignored before.

"The AMD we're seeing today is far different than the one we saw three years ago," he added. "In my book, the entire difference results from their acquisition of NexGen. Before that, they had very limited capabilities to innovate in microprocessor design. They were just following in Intel's wake, grabbing the leftovers Intel didn't want.

"In NexGen, they got a core group that understands complex microprocessor design, with a sophisticated methodology for doing that. And they have augmented that technical capability with much stronger marketing," Mr. Brookwood said.

Marketing Game
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But big hurdles remain, said Mike Feibus, principal with Mercury Research, Scottsdale, Ariz. "I don't think anybody disputes that K7 looks pretty good technically speaking. The issue is, can they talk their way into a segment that historically has been Intel only. Ultimately, it's a marketing game. A lot of great processors have eaten the dust of less-capable Intel processors."

Those other processors lacked compatibility with Intel, however, and Mr. Feibus noted that Intel seems to be in no hurry to upgrade its P6 architecture to compete with K7. "They are basically going to ride the P6 core for the next two years," he said..

AMD's many stumbles have made some observers skeptical about their promises. "We'll see if AMD has gotten its manufacturing problems squared away. It always comes down to whether you can build it," said Tony Massimini, chief of technology for Semico Research, Phoenix. "Theoretically, they could probably keep pace with Intel, but what will they do in mid-2000 when Intel has the Merced running at 0.18?" Others suggest, though, that the 64-bit Merced is aiming at a higher-performance segment than the K7, which will be marketed to desktop PCs as well as workstations and servers.

AMD will need to build an infrastructure of third parties to support K7 with chipsets and circuit boards, something it's managed to do with its K6 processor. The company will also have to persuade OEMs to handle yet another processor connection for K7, in addition to the existing Slot 1 and Socket 7, and the forthcoming Socket 370 for Intel's Celeron chip. The K7 will use what AMD calls Slot A, which has the physical characteristics of Slot 1 but different electrical specs requiring a unique circuit board.

Specs disclosed
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The K7 will feature three parallel X86 instruction decoders, a 9-issue superscalar microarchitecture, dynamic scheduling with speculative, out-of-order execution, and 2048-entry branch prediction table, AMD said. It also will include 64K of I-cache and 64K of D-cache.

Other features including two general-purpose 64-bit load/store ports into D-cache, a high-speed 64-bit backside L2 cache controller, and deep internal buffering to support pipelines and external interfaces.

The Katmai/Tanner architecture from Intel will include the dynamic execution and MMX technology of existing Pentium II processors, in addition to streaming memory instructions, concurrent SIMD-FP architecture, and new media instructions. As announced earlier, it will be available in the first half of next year.

Intel said the architecture has packed add and multiply on different ports to boost the floating point performance, and early prefetch completion signaling to decouple data fetch from computation. It also features a 20 percent improvement in write combining bus bandwidth by enhancing system logic and processor interaction.

Other contenders disclosed their X86 designs at the Forum. Cyrix discussed its Jalapeno core, a dual-issue X86 with register renaming and out-of-order execution. It features a deep pipeline, with 11 stages fetch to integer completion. It is expected to reach over 600MHz when produced in 0.18-micron.

Jalapeno's integer units are fully pipelined, with parallel execution of integer ops with integer multiplies and divides. The device also features a single load/store unit, and a 256K 8-way associative, 8-way interleaved cache. The first Jalapeno device, the M3, will be sampled in the fourth quarter of next year.

IDT's WinChip 4 uses two branch predictions, and executes instructions in-order . The design includes a 128K L1 cache. It will run at 500MHz in 0.25-micron technology, to be upgraded to 0.18-micron next year.

The micro-architecture includes an 11-stage pipeline, with pipelined caches. Designed for Socket 7, the part is slated for production in the second half of next year.

Newcomer Rise Technology said its mP6 family will use a three-way superscalar architecture with six-stage pipelines. The low-power technologies include the use of standard techniques such as system management mode (SMM) , stop grant state, auto half powerdown state, and stop clock state.

Rise said it executes three MMX multimedia instructions in every cycle. It will use a 100MHz Supersocket 7 bus and includes 15 K of L1cache memory. First production shipments are slated for this quarter.



To: Mark Oliver who wrote (1094)10/20/1998 4:38:00 PM
From: Pierre-X  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2025
 
I think the problem there is: they could build it, but what PC vendor would put such a contraption in their machine? What PC vendor would voluntarily employ a device designed to lock users to a specific brand of disk? Unlikely.




To: Mark Oliver who wrote (1094)10/23/1998 10:32:00 PM
From: nihil  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2025
 
RE: optional drive swapping

If you really like this idea, you'll love laptops. I have a Fujitsu that swaps a floppy drive for a cd drive (which I never have with me). An infernal nuisance which uses more space than it saves. (The appropriate place for a drive is in a computer where the cockroaches won't get sunburnt.) There are many other brands who use the same dumb idea (and they are always incompatible with any other brand and cost a bundle to replace.) The great thing about a tower is that it have bays and bays and can host a number of drives instead of having them scattered in the clutter getting soaked with Pepsi, doused with cigarette ashes, and sprinkled with pepper, salt, and ketchup.