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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (10411)	10/20/1998 6:06:00 PM
From: Borzou Daragahi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Chemical dependency issues run pretty deep in my family, as well. Agreed that quitting alcohol doesn't necessarily mean he was an alcoholic. But what's wrong with speculating? On these threads I myself speculated whether Bill Clinton was a sex addict in need of a 12-step program. The issue will definitely come up for George, and he knows it. What if a person falls back into their boozing ways once they become president, thereby making it a matter of public concern, and therefore granting the media license to dig up anything pertaining to his drunk-elogue? Oh, God, I can just see the pundits on MSNBC skewering the man. "Do we really want Boris Yeltsin in the White House?" All because the poor sap had the guts to admit he had a problem with booze and decided to give it up.

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (10411)	10/20/1998 6:08:00 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 67261

<<I personally believe the "disease" characterization of alcoholism is misguided.>> It's debateable. But like you I am a skeptic. My observations have been that the "victims" of the "disease" characterization use it as an enabler to stay victims. No doubt the programs have helped many. Many people "recover" without programs, and many "victims" die in and out of programs. The "disease" characterization releases the participants from responsibility.

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (10411)	10/21/1998 1:46:00 PM
From: George Coyne	Respond to of 67261

Hi, bp. Just happened to come across this post over here and felt like throwing in my two bits. What IS an alcoholic? A necessary condition is certainly addiction to alcohol, but is that a sufficient condition? Or is it addiction to the point of seriously interfering with a normal life? My wife, who is also the child of an alcoholic feels that it is a disease. I disagree, believing that it is simply an unfortunate way one has chosen to deal with problems that has become entrenched. Who really knows what psychological problems others bear. Certainly, some are more in danger of the addiction than others perhaps because of physical reasons. I think the reason people "go on the wagon" is because they sense they are in danger. Regards, G. W.