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To: Sonny McWilliams who wrote (21226)	10/21/1998 7:48:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27012

RE: Mutiny Don't know whether you have military experience or not, but in my opinion, these Marine officers are committing mutiny by stirring up dissension and threatening the good order and discipline of the service. In the Old Corps, I recall one private being court-martialed and sentenced to the brig where I worked as a warden for "silent contempt." A simple sneer (or a gnat on the nose) was once considered enough of a threat to discipline to destroy the military career of a recruit and deprive him of his physical liberty. I also recall many enlisted men being sentenced for off-duty adultery(!), sodomy, or cross-dressing. I don't recall a single officer during my 8 years of service being sentenced to prison for any of these offenses. Some of them were allowed to retire or resign. It is, unfortunately IMO, a simple fact of Constitutional law that members of the armed service are not fully protected by the Bill of Rights because of Congress's exclusive right to establish rules for the government of the Army and Navy. An officer has no right to free speech that injures discipline. A soldier is required to obey lawful orders, and is never permitted to question their lawfulness because of the misconduct of his superior except with respect to the order itself. IMO, these guys are clowns who should never have been commissioned because they are totally lacking in the expected grace or style of gentlemen. I despised the martinets, brutes, blowhards and fools in the officer corps, but would not have dreamed of disobeying or insulting them. Enlisted men in extremis in combat have always terminated these fools -- fragging we call it now. For an enlisted man who mutinies, the result in peacetime is prison and dishonorable discharge, and in combat, not charges, but summary execution.