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To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (10569)	10/21/1998 5:53:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Widen the pit, here comes Dan and his buddies.

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (10569)	10/21/1998 6:33:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

>Oh dear. Once more we have the hot-button abortion issue raised as a pike on which to hoist the head of "liberals" everywhere.< You're darned right. Their heads should be hoisted for bringing the stench of death to our country, this, to try and avoid the consequences of their actions. But the consequences are unavoidable, and millions of children are paying with their very lives, and millions of women suffer from the anguish of knowing they have committed murder.A great sadness. >So, Johannes, do you consider RU-486 to be "infanticide"?< Well. Since RU-486 is but a drug, it would be utter lunacy to consider it infanticide. >I've posted my thoughts. If you want to reduce abortions, reduce unwanted pregnancies.< And if you want to reduce unwanted pregnancies, instill in your children the simple logic that with sex comes responsibility, that they are not animals, and do not have to indescriminately have sex with anything and under any circumstances. Instill in them that sex means something, and that once a child comes into being, that child possesses incalculable value. >Education is the key there, it seems to work pretty well in Western Europe.< Western Europe, where abortion is rampant and where moral corruption is stunning. France for example, the moral sewer of Europe, and the possessor of an utterly fantastic economy. Italy with its fifty-eleven governments within the last few years, and abortion up the wazoo. The Netherlands with their whore districts and nearly legal euthanasia. No, thank you. I'll take America, and try to get some kind of handle on the liberals. >Somehow, it doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that sits well with the "decline of the West" moral crusaders who post here. It wouldn't mean an absolute end to abortions, granted, but an absolute ban is not politically in the cards either, by all indications. Or maybe the "Christian Nation" crowd will convince everybody with their compelling logic, I couldn't say.< Perhaps they will. >The grand human archetype that is heterosexuality? You might want to read Plato's Symposium sometime. An interesting tidbit from a recent book review: Neither the terms nor the concepts ''homosexual'' and ''heterosexual'' even existed until the late 19th century, when a newly powerful medical profession began defining homoerotic behavior as ''perversion'' or mental illness.< That the concept of homosexuality was not heard of until the 19th century I am sure would come as stunning news to Jews and Christians who for whole millenia have claimed that the sexual union between people of the same sex is an abomination to God. >An interesting review of an interesting sounding book there, though I doubt it would sway many of the "morally correct" here. That's life.< Indeed, as some of us have fortunately escaped having our brains sucked out by the liberals, and now use those brains to recognize liberal stupidity when it rears its ugly head to justify depravity. (Off to dinner...)

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (10569)	10/21/1998 6:45:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 67261

Oops -- another hot button issue: Homosexuality You are right, Dan, that the term "homosexuality" is relatively new, although the practice is as old as Moses...or, rather, as the first caveman. And the Greeks actually regarded sex with males as superior to sex with females, because females were seen as inferior to males, and useful only for procreative purposes. How does that old saw go? "A woman for duty, a boy for pleasure, and a goat for sheer delight..." However, the Christian Church did condemn "sodomy" as a sin. Didn't someone try to get Leonardo da Vinci on that? Or was it Michelangelo? SERIOUSLY, now...Speaking as a "liberal", I would deny that what we are talking about here is putting homosexuality "on an equal level with" heterosexuality. For me, the issue is a civil libertarian one -- I believe homosexuals, as citizens, are entitled to equality before the law; that is, to the same rights to employment, housing, free speech, etc., as everyone else. Meanwhile, I remain a totally unreconstructed heterosexual. I still see homosexuality as a personal misfortune (but not as a "sin" to be punished for). I suspect that my view is pretty widespread among people who would define themselves as "liberal". jbe