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To: Dolfan who wrote (29944)10/22/1998 5:02:00 AM
From: Fuzzy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50264
 
Good morning everyone!!!

Fuzzy



To: Dolfan who wrote (29944)10/22/1998 8:36:00 AM
From: Rob W  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50264
 

Hello Mark,

There is confusion over Kadin.net and Primedia Armo Ekadata, and
whether they are
one of the same. When I spoke to Indonesia ISP Association about
DGIV's ISP, they
referred me to kadin.net. I contacted them, (at the e-mail you
provided) and they
wrote back and said they were not, and had nothing to do with
Primedia Armo
Ekadata.
Thankfully, they did not stop there. I will post email I received,
but it will be edited to
remove e-mail address and other information not relevant to this
discussion.

From:
Hillman M Sulaiman

"Dear Sir thank you for quick reply,

Yes PT.ARMO EKADATA IS INDONESIAN ISP,
but they don't have any business with us (KADINnet).
Legally they are fine, and I know one of them Mr. Anton Subianto (
he is
good guy )
We don't have any problem with them.

Our Organization confused too.

KADINnet (Entity) is belong to the KADIN FOUNDATION with mean and
clear is
Indonesia Chamber of Commerce property"

I also asked about the licensure issue, Here is what I asked and his
reply,

Q.There has also been confusion of licensure. Specifically, whether
this
is a restriction on the number of ISPs that may operate. Are there
any
such limits, and if so can you elaborate on what they are.

A. Yes government now have been issued 42 licenses for ISP, but
economic crisis
influent their operation.
Actually there no limitation for ISP as long the applicant can
perform
normally.

I read this to mean there is some type of capacity tests, and if you
can meet them, you
can be issued a license. While there does not appear to be an
absolute bar, the
economic crisis may make passing the performance test, whatever that
is, difficult, and
therefore might lead one to conclude, "No, more licenses are
expected to be issued."
My Interpretation only.

I was also interested in privileges. I don't think Digiticom is a
scam, but I don't discount
the possibility. I thought information on privileges would be
useful, if they differ by ISP
license, then i'd want to know if Digitcom got the delux model, or
bottom of the barrel.
I thought it would be very misleading if in the technical sense,
they could say they had
an ISP license, but as a practical matter, there were restrictions
on what they could
offer compared to other ISPs.

Here is my question and his reply.

Q. Do all ISP licenses entitle the holder to the same privileges?
I mean are all ISP authorized to offer the same set of services, or
are
there limits depending on the license.

A. Yes they are fine to offer any kind of service to public, the
government
encourage their innovative and creative service to attract the
Indonesian
communities to use Internet.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS (mine only)

1. Because other investors have landed at Kandin.net thinking they
had found Primedia
Armo Ekadata, I sent a note to Digitcom Officials advising them of
this. Some other
entities gave me the same information Mark posted. Still looking
into this.

2. While I was disappointed in my mistake, I was glad to hear in
regard to Mr. Anton
Subianto "(he is
good guy)" I believe Mr. Subianto is the CEO of Primedia Armo
Ekadata.
I have some information on Mr Subianto, but I want to contact him
first and see how
he feels about anything being posted on a public forum like SI.

3. As I have said, I own some stock in Digitcom, and I am sure I
bring a bias to the
table, so please read with grain of salt. But I don't comment on
whether DGIV is
good/bad investment.

4. I don't earn my living by researching Digitcom, so must run to
work so I can
continue to eat. If this is helpful to anyone, I am glad. bye.



To: Dolfan who wrote (29944)10/22/1998 8:47:00 AM
From: Hope  Respond to of 50264
 
Mark,

Thank you for putting in the time and effort to post quality research. I am sure that I speak for most of the thread when I say Thank You.

Hope