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To: Elmer who wrote (39957)	10/24/1998 1:25:00 AM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574042

Re: "the K7 will be a disappoint. They are clearly coming up short and those who know the business can see it. They lack of L2 tells volumes." Bad news Elmer. There's no on chip L2 for one good reason: when the K7 comes out, nothing Intel has will be able to touch it. So why bother increasing the performance even more? 128k L1, 1/2 speed L2, and 200 MHz EV/6 bus (not to mention the monster K7 core) are more than enough to blow any sixth generation Intel design derivation off the map. After the K7 is released, look for AMD to add on-chip L2 within six months to address the server and high end workstation markets. Intel's only hope is to accelerate their process roadmap, because nothing Intel has on the drawing board will come close to matching K7 clock for clock on the desktop. Kevin

To: Elmer who wrote (39957)	10/24/1998 2:16:00 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Respond to of 1574042

<A knowledgeable analysis of their foils would lead one to the conclusion that the K7 will be a disappoint.> Actually, if you read between the lines, even AMD is emphasizing the floating-point power of the K7 over the integer. I wonder why. My guess is that the K7 will be on-par with a P6 integer-wise, but much better in FPU as everyone is hoping for. Now the question will be how much these K7 systems will cost. I'll bet anyone that it's certainly not going to show up in sub-$1000 systems. Any takers? (I know there will be a few out there.) Tenchusatsu

To: Elmer who wrote (39957)	10/24/1998 4:18:00 AM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574042

Elmer, They lack of L2 tells volumes. K7 does not lack an L2, rather it lacks an on-chip L2. K7 systems will undoubtably have external L2 caches. It also has a very large L1. It would be better to have an on-chip L2, but the lack thereof is by no means a serious performance issue. Scumbria

To: Elmer who wrote (39957)	10/24/1998 9:33:00 AM
From: Brian Hutcheson	Respond to of 1574042

EP , arrogance and overconfidence is what ruined IBM in the 80s both those qualities are evident in yesterday's remark by an unnamed Intel spokesman who said "the party's over for AMD and Cyrix". Those quality's are also evident in your latest post to me . "Those who don't know the business are easily impressed by foil flipping" In making that statement you put yourself in a position of judgement on such individuals as Michael Slater , Tom Pabst , Nathan Brookwood etc. FYI , K7 will have L2 cache , the back side bus is programmable for either on chip or off chip L2 cache . The reason being that this way AMD can sell 2 flavours , high speed and medium speed . This way AMD can attack Intel in both ends of the market , Brian