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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (11076)	10/27/1998 10:42:00 AM
From: Volsi Mimir	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

In this forum my main concern in finding a solution to our political woes is about apathy. What I learned about abortion I read here. I asked a simple question to understand my stand. It took me this long to give you a response, a reason for posting that story to you. I saw that Sat AM-this Story of shooting is a stark hypocritical event. Sadly, it combined all the elements of your stand. I know you would not condone this action. That wasn't my intent. I'm sorry for posting it to you because of that-it was a real incident in a philosophical argument. Capital punishment was carried out for the killing the doctor had done and would of done. This was not an act of terrorism. This was act of vigilantism. Already thinking this act was from someone who disdained the doctor's action(my premise-this was not a random act of violence),this person became the judge, jury and executioner. The irony-that person killed to save lives. And since you believe in capital punishment then that person when found also dies. The doctor kills the fetus to save life. One of the functions is to save the life of the woman and kill the fetus or is it murder?. Death The killer kills the doctor to save life. One of the functions is to stop abortions in killing the doctor or is it murder?. Death Then society kills this person to save life. One of the functions of capital punishment is to protect the life of society from harms way by exacting the final deterrent or is it murder? Death. Then the question begs to be answered. Since if you believe in capital punishment and take the stand that abortion is murder, does the woman having the abortion as well as the doctor face capital punishment for murdering an innocent life. murder is murder .death is death. And that is sad indeed. I am a hypocrite .I admit it. I want capital punishment, shoot to kill police action, and war in the name of protecting peace within the structure of society. I too think it is permissible to kill to save life. Innocence is a causality in these judgements. I was asking a simple question to question my stand on death that is not from natural causes or accidental. I don't like them. I am bothered by them. Death by judgement .Is abortion a judgement? I know abortion kills. If I accept capital punishment is abortion acceptable too. I was asking a simple question and if you said no abortion-no capital punishment there is a better way, I would like to here those solutions Sex I made a hurried and ludicrous statement .I gave a ludicrous example as a blanket answer for all the problems for the opposite sex. Can we have blanket answers?.I was thinking about alternatives and this to me became a comical and cynical answer. But I found I was going back to the somewhere before abortion. I believe your stand on abortion is not the root of the problem. Abortion is midstream in a series of events, choices and beliefs. It is a consequence of an act. Sex. And maybe that may not be the root. I created an example that was exact opposite. If the man suffers and its mans responsibility, would the blanket answer be the same. Which brought up another question. Are men and women created equal. Or I meant are men and women treated equal. The man is excused, runs away. It's the woman's fault and blame. The woman bears the brunt of consequence. If she has the child, the majority of the time the woman and/or her family takes care of child. It changes everything. Economic, life style and responsibility. Her family could ostracize her , but most of the time the mother, father or parents taking care of child who has a child. If she has a abortion she is scarred for life emotionally. Guilt or experience is for a lifetime. Most don't say they had an abortion. Its secret in their past. Something not to talk about – taboo. Wouldn't be better to tackle sex and responsibility as appose to a consequence of it. It concerns the grey area between puberty and maturity. I will say that asking one question has caused me to take a weekend of reflection and asking many people, my friends and family these questions, remembering women in that situation and taking the opposite actions and finding out what happened , recalling people I met traveling this country who are directly affected by this situation. I have an outline 5 pages long and went off on a tangents ,and stories , experiences and reasons and excuses and emotion over one question. One question beforehand which did not have much significance to me, my thoughts were elsewhere, other problems and goals. Now I see maybe I should be asking myself more of these. But not in this forum- I think I'll sit and read about this topic what you fine people have to say. I will talk about apathy though-I'm relatively informed of that since I was that for many years.