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To: Rick Julian who wrote (25697)	10/28/1998 8:00:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Respond to of 108807

Okay. I misread. I thought you were looking for a unifying atheist idea. I'm not sure there is a "positive" universal atheist idea beyond a refutation of God. The next step would be "Okay - our ball." From there - the sky's the limit. I suspect atheism is deliberately not further delimited once the refutation has been stated. >Maybe from reflection on the data of their life experiences? The human mind seems compelled to create and/or recognize patterns--don't these meld to form our individual philosophies regarding the nature of existence?< Probably. It sure rings true to me. But then we are right back up against a thousand answers for a thousand participants. >E has stated she is an atheist, as has Craig, and perhaps Steven.< It's hard to be much of anything with a memory like mine :-)

To: Rick Julian who wrote (25697)	10/28/1998 10:17:00 PM
From: Craig Richards	Respond to of 108807

Rick, Thanks for stirring the conversational pot here at Feelings. Have you ever heard this quote about the Mexican revolutionary Marcos? I've heard that it was his response to a reporter's question asking him if he's gay: "Marcos is gay in San Francisco, a black person in South Africa, Asian in Europe, a Chicano in San Isidro, an anarchist in Spain, a Palestinian in Israel, an Indigenous person in the streets of San Cristóbal, a gang member in Neza, a rocker on [University] campus, a Jew in Germany, an ombudsman in the Department of Defense (Secretaria de Defensa, Sedena), a feminist in a political party, a communist in the post-Cold War period, a prisoner in Cintalapa, a pacifist in Bosnia, a Mapuche in the Andes, a teacher in National Confederation of Educational Workers (Confederación Nacional de Trabajadores de Educación, CNTE), an artist without a gallery or a portfolio, a housewife in any neighborhood in any city in any part of Mexico on a Saturday night, a guerrilla in Mexico at the end of the twentieth century, a striker in the CTM, a sexist in the feminist movement, a woman alone in a Metro station at 10 p.m., a retired person standing around in the Zócalo, a campesino without land, an underground editor, an unemployed worker, a doctor with no office, a non-conformist student, a dissident against neoliberalism, a writer without books or readers, and a Zapatista in the Mexican Southeast. In other words, Marcos is a human being in this world. Marcos is every untolerated, oppressed, exploited minority that is resisting and saying, "Enough!"" Despite the separation of church and state in my country (the USA), it is still "One Nation Under God", and our money even states "In God We Trust". I am an atheist in solidarity with anyone oppressed by this so-called God-fearing nation. Craig