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To: ScotMcI who wrote (555)2/2/1999 11:10:00 PM
From: ScotMcI  Respond to of 582
 
Cymer 4th quarter 1998 Conference Call, Part 2 of 4

Robert Maier (MAY-er), DLJ: Yes, hi guys. Couple questions on - I'm just doing some quick math here, and it would seem at least that one of your customers has a fair inventory of some of the older units. And given that you've written off some of the older units just because there's a rapid move to the newer technology, would, is there any potential of retrofitting existing units or upgrading existing units that a customer would have in inventory but not shipped, or are those units basically old news and we're moving on to new units?

Akins: Yes, the opportunity that you've just described is there and is a real one. As I mentioned in our call, in our presentation, we have taken some of the technology breakthoughs and some of the results from our Continuous Improvement Programs and rolled those not only into our new products, but also into the availability of upgrade kits that could be implemented, purchased from Cymer as a product, and implemented to improve the cost of operation of a 5000-series to make it more or less comparable with that of a 5010. Those upgrade kits are now in the qualification stage, both from a technical perspective - that's the first phase of qualification - and soon into a return-on-investment qualification for each manufacturer of steppers and scanners or in some cases chipmakers to have an understanding of how fast this cost of ownership will pay for itself. We expect to see some revenue from this just starting perhaps in Q2 and in the 2nd half of the year to have the sale of those upgrade kits comprise a larger portion of revenue for the company.

Maier: Would it be correct to assume that those upgrade kits would be made available at a perhaps lower margin base, given that the client may have a bit of an inventory exposure? And the second half of that question is to what extent would customers upgrading existing inventory of lasers impact potential new sales to those customers? I would assume that would perhaps slow some sales to customers who have inventory.

Angus: The question you ask is a delicate one, because obviously we are already in negotiations with our customers. And I do not want to preempt the opportunities of our sales force to properly negotiate with our customers who have that inventory. Obviously we are sensitive to customers who are in that position, and we will try our best to work with them. Of course, there could be a possibility that the sale of these two integrators may have a lesser margin. But I wouldn't want to preclude that or say that's a foregone conclusion at this point in time.

Akins: Let me just add to what Bill said, Robert, in remember that these upgrade kits address the cost of operation of the 5000-series lasers that they'll be implemented on, not the performance. And of course we're seeing a large portion of the demand for today's products being technology-driven and as a result one would need to purchase the 5010, or in the future the 6000 to actually access that technology advantage.

Maier: Ok, and one other question: Could you give us an update as to competitive positioning. Any other competitors have any production uh lasers in production systems that you know of or can you give us a current competitive state of the industry?

Akins: Our detailed knowledge of what goes on inside of a competitor is as limited as it's ever been. Over the past few months, I think I mentioned our last conference call, we have had the emergence of a new competitor in Ushio, the Japanese manufacturer of the mercury bulbs. And they have announced at the last international ArFl conference that they too have launched an excimer laser development program, with focus on the ArFl generation. So we formally speaking have now three competitors in Komatsu, Ushio, and Lambda Physic. At the end of the year, 1998, we had 597 lasers installed at chipmakers. At the end of that same year, 3 competitors between the three of them had about a dozen systems installed at chipmakers. We monitor that position very carefully, and of course one of the reasons that we're continuing to make the R&D investment that we are is to try to move our company forward as quickly as possible.

Maier: And one last question: Previously there had been a bottleneck in terms of lens materials which had slowed down the stepper industry. I would assume that we're recovering here, even though we're moving to shorter wavelengths, that lens materials or other shortages that stepper manufacturers are not a gating factor that would otherwise change the equation.

Akins: The answer to that is yes and no. Certainly the issue as it was discussed before, a year or two ago, was the availability of fused silica for 248nm KrFl systems. The industry was expecting to ramp much more rapidly for a more prolong period of time, and our best information tells us that availability of fused silica now for that generation is there, it's not a problem. For 193nm, there's been lots of discussion recently about calcium fluoride and the use of calcium fluoride at least in a limited way initially in the projection tools for that particular wavelength. That continues to be a issue which is being worked by everyone in the industry. Tremendous progress is being made. I think it's seen as a very significant factor, but perhaps not the most fundamental factor limiting the ramp up rate for ArFl systems. And remember that ArFl is not expected ramp up for some time, so there's considerable time for the industry to address that. I will also bring up the fact that photoresist at 193nm is another issue that doesn't receive too much attention. It's different than 248nm. There's a significant amount of development that has to go on before we have a production-worthy ArFl resist, and so that's one to be watched as well over the next 2 years or so.

Nikolai Tischenko (tish-EN-ko), AB and Amerault (AM-er-oh): I have just one question, maybe it will become two. Could you please give us some more detail on what is the basis of your confidence as you decided to keep your breakeven point higher? Does it have anything to do with better than expected ramp up of 6000 machines?

Akins: Our cautious optimism in that particular area is based up our conversations with our direct customers, as well as those with chipmakers. And of course everyone on this call is watching the chipmaker activity very intensely. We think that there's a firming-up of DRAM prices. We're watching the quarter-micron capacity versus DRAM demand equation very carefully. And because in general of the trends we have seen in the industry, we think that yes, the industry has reached the low point, and we expect to see some growth going forward. The 6000 activity certainly is not the basis of our optimism. The 6000 is a long-term investment for us. While we have delivered units as we have already announced in the past, we expect those units to go through a prolonged qualification period as those lasers are being attached to a brand-new generation of scanners or in some cases perhaps even steppers. But, we expect that will be a late-1999 the year 2000 timescale for an actual ramp up to begin on those. So, we look at that as a future, forward-going investment on our part.

Wu: Bob, this is David Wu also from AB and Amerault in San Francisco. By stepping, uh by seeing the cycle bottom and coming back, what would be a satisfactory rate of revenue that you think that you can achieve even by.? Would it be Q2 or would it be the second half of 1999?

Angus: I think we may start to approach but not achieve breakeven in Q2. It is our expectation that we would break into profitability in the secondhalf of the year.

Mark Fitzgerald, Merrill Lynch: When you're going back and looking at the inventory that's out there, 5000s, who actually makes the decision of what ends up on a lithography tool? Is that made by the OEM or is that made by the end user, the device manufacturer?

Akins: The OEM certainly has a substantial say in the matter for the qualification of the tool. But as time has gone on, and one of the reasons why we will be investing more heavily in our sales and marketing capability, not only to our direct customers but also chipmakers, as the chipmaker is learning about what is available in laser technology going forward they are being more and more vocal in expressing their preferences to the stepper manufacturers as to what laser is attached to what lithography tool. So it's a combination of both.

Fitzgerald: So I mean it kind of begs the question then if you're NEC or Intel, why would you want a 5000 laser that's been upgraded when you can get a 5010? Have you run into those issues out there in talking to the end users?

Akins: Yes. In fact, one of the reasons why the conversion from the 5000 to the 5010 was and is faster than anticipated is exactly that particular dynamic. That once they learn about the 5010, many chipmakers of course want to insist that they receive that new laser on their machine. I'll also point out that especially when filling out some of the existing factories, many chipmakers have a "copy exact" type of manufacturing philosophy, which for them would mean that they would like to stick with the same laser that they have purchased in the past. And therefore, though there might be a latest-and-greatest product out there, there's still an ongoing demand for the 5000 series lasers.

Fitzgerald: And one other question: Were there any cancellations in terms of the quarter? On your backlog?

Angus: No. We've been experiencing push-outs every quarter, but as far as outright cancellations, I do not believe so.

Fitzgerald: Ok, so is it fair to assume you have booked somewhere ins the 30 million dollar range? Is that a fair level?

Angus: Well, I was pretty specific on that book-to-bill that we gave, so I guess …

Fitzgerald: Oh

Angus: you can run those numbers out. But …

Fitzgerald: Oh, ok, I didn't hear that.

Angus: Oh, ok. We gave a book-to-bill of .. overall book-to-bill of .83, with a systems book-to-bill of .91 and a spares book-to-bill of .63.

Fitzgerald: Ok. And is it fair to assume the system sales that we're talking a majority of them are 5010?

Angus: Going forward, yes.

Jay Deahna, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter: Bill, the first question is, if you look at your loss in the quarter from operations, excluding the charge, what would that be?

Angus: A million.

Deahna: In terms of per share?

Angus: Oh, that was the operating loss, Jay. I don't know, I haven't run that out. We could do it here quickly. Maybe we could come up with and answer for you.

Deahna: Ok, fine. And Bill, the next question for you is that other income dropped significantly in the quarter. Why is that? Is there a foreign exchange gain or something?

Angus: Yes. You mean the loss dropped?

Deahna: Right.

Angus: Yeah. There was foreign exchange rate gains in the quarter of 1.3 million, Jay.

Deahna: Ok. In the next couple of quarters do you expect that other income line to be, you know, negative a million or something? Or where are we going to bounce back to on that?



To: ScotMcI who wrote (555)2/2/1999 11:12:00 PM
From: ScotMcI  Respond to of 582
 
Cymer 4th quarter 1998 Conference Call, Part 1 of 4

Marie Burk, Director of Investor Relations: As you know, statements in this conference call regarding the effects of Cymer's new products, its competitive landscape, new product introduction schedules, future development in semiconductor manufacturing technology, market conditions and revenue, spending and earnings projections are forward-looking statements, based on current expectations, and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated in such forward-looking statements. Factors can include such differences can include those described under the risk factors in our forms 10-K and 10-Q regularly filed with the SEC. For purposes of today's discussion, I assume you have all received a copy of our press release. We're going to begin today with our President Bob Akins reviewing the operation highlights of the December quarter, and following that Bill Angus, our CFO will present the detailed financial report. Lastly we hope to share with you our best understanding of what lies ahead for Cymer in the immediate future. I'd like to now turn it over to Bob.

Bob Akins: Hello everyone. I'd like to thank you again for joining us today. Certainly 1998 was a turbulent and difficult year for every company in our industry. Due to the technology -driven nature of DUV lithography our business was impacted on a relative basis far less than many other semiconductor equipment suppliers. In fact, the focus of chipmakers on geometry shrinks to achieve lower cost is probably the most obvious trend to emerge worldwide over the past 12 to 18 months. In spite of our focus on controlling our spending in 1998, we did not cut back on R&D and new product development. This has enabled us to continue to execute our strategic roadmaps for maintaining technological and market leadership by meeting customer and chipmaker requirements with technology-based and value-added solutions. These include introducing new products with enhanced performance capabilities, reducing the cost of operation of our lasers, and enhancing our global service and support organizations. During the 4th quarter, we continued to see a conversion to our high-performance ELS 5010 as they accounted for over 50% of our shipments during the quarter. We currently expect this quarter, that is Q1 1999, to mark the end of our older ELS 5000 laser production. The ELS 5010 is enabling the newest generation of high numerical aperture DUV steppers to achieve maximum resolution. In addition, it is offering significantly improved pulse energy stability, essential for the first generation DUV scanners to achieve accurate and consistent dosage over the exposed field. Finally, we expect the 5010 to provide improved reliability and serviceability thru an increase in expected lifetime of the key replaceable modules. As chipmakers transition to sub-quarter-micron geometries, the need for more advanced lithography tools teamed with even more sophisticated light sources becomes increasingly critical. Recognizing this, we developed and formally introduced our newest product, the ELS 6000, which we had formerly called the Orion, at SEMICON Japan. The ELS 6000 is a 20-Watt 2kHz laser that we expect to play a major role in the production of semiconductor devices with design rules at 0.18 micron and below. The ELS 6000 is specifically designed to meet the more stringent demands of powering next-generation scanners and high-productivity steppers. We are continuing to see signs that the stepper-to-scanner transition is going to occur rapidly, with as much as 70% of tools shipped by some customers this year expected to be scanners. With twice the power and twice the pulse repetition rate of the 5010, the 6000 is capable of increasing scanner thruput as I will detail in this call shortly. In addition, improved puse energy stability can provide better dosage control, improve yields, and lower costs. Finally, the ELS 6000 provides a new modular platform designed to meet industry needs for several technology generations. The 6000 is currently available for beta testing, with production systems shipping in the 2nd half of 1999, and ramping to higher volumes beginning in the year 2000. In concert with the ELS 6000 introduction at SEMICON Japan, we hosted the 6th annual Cymer DUV symposium, which attracted over 120 lithography technologists from leading fabs and lithography tool manufacturers around the world. Data on the latest DUV photolithography research in advanced integrated circuit manufacturing was presented by researchers form Hyundai, Hitachi, Finley Technologies (the premier supplier of lithography tool optical simulation software), as well as scientists from Cymer. Predictive modeling presented by Doctor Y.M. Hom of Hyundai demonstrated that using Cymer's new ELS 6000 laser can reduce exposure times and would thereby increase lithography tool thruput significantly. The improved specifications of our 6000 were shown to improve wafer-layer thruput by anywhere from 10 to 70 percent, depending upon the layer's specific pattern and resist sensitivity. Overall, a weighted average over various layers would result in approximate thruput increase of 30 to 35 percent over lithography tools lesser-performance 10-Watt 1kHz lasers. Additional modeling performed by Finley Technologies details how the improved how the improved energy stability of ELS 6000 improves dosage control at the wafer, resulting in improved CD control. We expect that the performance and thruput improvement capability of the 6000 will enable a new generation of advanced DUV photolithography tools available to chipmakers late this year of early in the year 2000. For chipmakers, enhancing the productivity and cost-effectiveness of their tools has become increasing critical, especially in today's difficult economic environment. The combination of technological breakthroughs during the development of the ELS 5010 and our ongoing continuous improvement program resulted in a new program to improve efficiency and reduce the cost of operations of our new lasers as well as our lasers in the field. Under the program, extended lifetime warranties have been offered to Cymer customers for all major components of the ELS 5010 lasers. These lasers chamber expected lifetimes have increased from 3 to 5 billion pulses. Line [word that sounds like 'marrying''] module expected lifetimes have increased from 3 to 6 billion pulses. And the wavelength stabilization module expected lifetimes have increase from 5 to 10 billion pulses. Due to these improvements, the 5010 cost of operation has been reduced by 45% from that of the ELS 5000 levels. Cymer is also offering customers an opportunity to upgrade their 5000 lasers to a comparable cost of operation thru the purchase of upgrade kits. Finally, during the quarter, Cymer reached a major milestone in the history of the company: shipment of its 1000th laser. Cymer DUV excimer lasers are currently installed and used in semiconductor chip production at each of the world's top 20 chipmakers. Starting with the earliest R&D tools shipped, Cymer has focused on providing value-added products to the industry. We have an installed base in production at chipmakers that currently exceeds 600 systems, including customers in the United States, Taiwan, Europe, Japan, Korea, and Singapore. With this number of systems in production worldwide, our machine-dependent laser uptime in excess of 90% is a level of reliability that is clearly statistically relevant. I'd like to turn now the discussion over to Bill Angus for a more detailed financial review.

Angus: Thank you Bob. For the quarter, revenues decreased 15% on a sequential basis to 38 million compared to Q3 revenues of 44.5 million. As discussed in the press release, industry conditions resulted in a lower number of units shipped for the quarter. In fact, total unit shipments of lithography tools decreased by 26% as compared to the third quarter. For the full year of 1998, Cymer shipped 337 lithography lasers versus 453 in 1997. Installs at chipmakers were 338 for 1998, as compared to 230 for 1997. Total installs increased by 11% in Q4 as compared to Q3 of 1998. Continued market acceptance of our 5010 laser again resulted in higher average selling prices for the quarter. Laser ASPs rose to 480,000 in Q4 as compared to 442,000 in Q3. On a currency-adjusted base - and remember, we hedge our foreign sales contracts - the ASPs rose to 472,000 in Q4, as compared to 469,000 in Q3. For the year, currency-adjusted ASPs have increased 14%. Also for the year, non-systems revenue - that is, spares, service, and contract R&D revenue - was 25% of total revenues. For 1998, ASM Lithography accounted for 37% of our sales. Nikon 31%. Canon 20%. And SVG Lithography 6%. Overall, gross margins decreased from 35% in Q3 to 15% in Q4, due primarily to the writeoff of 5.8 million in obsolete inventory as well as the lower sales volume. As discussed in the press release, the inventory adjustment was a result of a faster-than-anticipated shift in customer demand from the ELS 5000 to the ELS 5010. Discounting the effects of the writeoff, gross margins for the quarter and the year would have been 31% and 35% respectively. R&D totaled 6.5 million, or 17% of revenue in this quarter. On an absolute dollar basis, this was a 15% decrease from the prior quarter. The decrease was primarily related to reduced program costs during the quarter. Selling and marketing expense was 3.6 million, or 9.5% of revenue, a 21% increase in absolute terms from the previous quarter. This was a result of increased sales and marketing spending due to the expansion of our worldwide support operations. G&A for the quarter was 2.5 million, or approximately 6.5% of total revenues. The loss from operations was 6.7 million for the quarter, with the net loss totaling 3.3 million, or 12 cents per share, diluted, on 28,135,000 shares outstanding. For the full year, 1998, we recorded income from operations of 5.3 million, and net income of 2.5 million, or 9 cents per share, diluted, on 29,566,000 shares outstanding. We had a tax benefit for the year, resulting from tax credits and permanent differences between taxable income and book income which resulted in a negative effective tax rate for the year. Backlog at Dec 31, 1998, including both new systems and spare parts, was 37,316,000, as compared to Sep 30, 1998 backlog of 43,655,000. This calculates to a book-to-bill ratio of approximately 0.83. It is important to note that our systems b-t-b was 0.91, while our spares b-t-b was 0.63. We find this differential indicative of the evolving nature of our spares business. In the future, we expect this business to be characteristic of a book-and-ship business driven by chipmaker utilization of the consumable laser parts such as the discharge chambers. Cash, cash-equivalents, and short- and long-term investments totaled 162 million at Dec 31, 1998. The company's operating activities utilized approximately 5.2 million in cash during the quarter. Capital spending was approximately 4million for the quarter, compared to 5.3 million for the 3rd quarter of 1998. Depreciation for the quarter was 4.3 million, compared to 3.9 million for the 3rd quarter of 1998. For the full year, Cymer's operations generated 16.2 million in cash. Capital spending totaled 18.8 million, with depreciation of 15.3 million. During the quarter, the company purchased an additional 137,00 shares under its stock repurchase plan, bringing the total repurchased shares to 2 million shares, at a total cost of 24.9 million as of Dec 31, 998. From here on out, I want to remind you that we will be presenting forward-looking statements regarding future operating results, and again refer you to our 10-Qs and 10-K as filed with the SEC, which carry the risk factors related to such information. Current market conditions are expected to to continue for the near term. However, based on information currently available to us, we expect total revenues for the 1st quarter of 1999 to increase by 5 to 10 percent as compared to those of the 4th quarter. We expect that this will be comprised primarily of an increase in sales of laser systems, as our customers anticipate a pickup in demand for advanced lithography tools. With out operating break-even point currently based on approximately 46 million in revenues on a quarterly basis, we estimate a loss in Q1 of between 10 and 15 cents per share. Bob?

Akins: I want to caution you, as we have over the past 2 quarters, that forward visibility continues to be approximately 1 quarter. However, since the end of Q4, we have seen a modest pickup in demand, and anticipate that new orders will begin to climb in the upcoming quarters, driven by recovery of the industry and related demand for our new 5010 laser product and its improved capabilities. Over the course of the last year, we have announced a variety of cost-cutting measures that Cymer took to control our spending in response to worsening industry conditions. We did not however reduce our investments in R&D and new product development, as evidenced by the introduction of our ELS 5010 and 6000 series. Nor did we reduce our investment in the expansion of our worldwide support operations. Because we anticipate new orders will begin to climb, we have decided to begin investing in other areas of our business that were deliberately delayed until now. This increased investment will have an impact on our breakeven point as described by Bill earlier, beginning with the 1st quarter of 1999, in two primary an critical areas. First, we increase our worldwide sales and marketing staff to address growing lithography tools supplier's and chipmaker's requirements. With over 600 systems now in production, we have a responsibility as the market leader to both the lithography tool suppliers and the chipmakers to continue to be on the leading edge with respect to understanding and addressing the market requirements, as well as continuously increasing the quality of servicing our installed base. Second, we are also making significant investments in process infrastructure throughout our company worldwide. This effort encompasses process from strategic planning and market-analysis and forecasting, to product creation and change, to capacity planning, and will be a key in enabling our company going forward to deal more efficiently with the DUV market opportunity. We expect this process' focus will also improve our financial performance when the industry recovery accelerates. While we remain cautious about the timing of the recovery, we remain confident in Cymer's role to help enable the industry's commitment to continued geometry shrinks and enhanced productivity. This concludes our report, I would now like to open the session to questions and answers.



To: ScotMcI who wrote (555)2/2/1999 11:13:00 PM
From: ScotMcI  Respond to of 582
 
Cymer 4th quarter 1998 Conference Call, Part 3 of 4

Angus: Uh yeah. I think that that is closer to the issue even maybe worse than that. We are trying to mitigate that area of our operations by increasing our investment in Cymer Japan. This whole fluctuation in the exchange rate is basically an intra-company payables issue. So by increasing our investment in Japan and reducing the intra-company debt between the two companies, we are going to try to mitigate that number down to a much smaller number going forward.

Deahna: Ok, and what kind of tax rate are you looking at for 99?

Angus: 38%. And the gnomes here have done a quick calculation on your first question, and it would have been a 9 cent profit.

Deahna: Ok, great. And a lot of that has a tax benefit associated with it…

Angus: Yeah. Yeah.

Deahna: Ok. Bob, question for you. Last question. There's a new story out today quoting some folks from Motorola talking about extending the use of their installed base of their lithography tools with aggressive phase-shift masks. Are we still looking at a scenario where as you move from generation to generation, for example .18 you take the scanners and you go to the INA (?) scanners below that, with increasingly sophisticated lasers at each generation to do critical layer lithography, do you see that trend continuing, or do you see people stretching their steppers and scanners for multiple generations at the leading edge layers?

Akins: I think we're going to see both, Jay. I don't see that there is room for either one of those technologies to slow down. So we'll see a maximum push on lithography tool technology, the laser technology, and the mask all simultaneous to one another. Interestingly, and as has been discussed more and more in the industry, the role of the pure capability of the lithography tool and the mask is one that is going to be a very interesting dynamic to watch over the next few years. This Motorola press release makes one pause, in that by putting aggressive development behind not just the masks but also the tools and the lasers, Motorola is saying they can squeeze, I say the gate performance down to 0.10 micron with KrFl tools. These are obviously extremely high numerical aperture tools, requiring a lot more performance from the laser and very aggressive phase-shift mask technology. At the same time, you have another genre of chipmakers, especially microprocessor manufacturers, who have less confidence, if you will, in KrFl being pushed to that limit. And therefore are desiring to accelerate ArFl and use a much simpler mask technology with those systems. In either case, you'll see all aspects of that technology being pushed to the maximum.

Deahna: So the markets are segmenting?

Akins: That's right. And an interesting byproduct of this is as you're probably aware the potential overlap of two generations of different but still full-production lithography tools. Where KrFl and ArFl tools will coexist, each being pushed to very high levels of performance for a substantial number of years. Which of course is different that the G- to I-line conversion, or the I-line to DUV conversion. So that'll be an interesting dynamic to watch.

Brett Hodess, Nation's Bank Montgomery Securities: Couple of questions. Can you talk about the mix shift to the 5010s, since that's mostly complete? Could we expect to see the ASPs start to flatten out now until we get into the next generation shift? And a second question on the spares: although it's going to turn into a turns (?) business going forward now that the installed base is quite large, is it becoming more predictable how that business may grow?

Angus: Yes is the answer to your first question. You definitely will see sort of a plateau in ASPs for a little while before the 6000 starts to kick in. And then, I'm hoping that it's going to become more predictable. I think it's going to be garnered by the usage rates at the chipmakers which have frankly not necessarily displayed a steady pattern yet. I think once the recovery starts and we start seeing a consistent pattern of usage, then we're going to have a better feel for how the spares is actually going to flow.

Akins: I'll reiterate Brett that as I discussed in our earlier portion of the phone call, that this quarter really marks the last quarter that we'll be building the 5000 series lasers - in any kind of volume way. I'm not going to preclude that there may come a point in the future when a few are needed here and there for specific reasons, but basically the production cycle of the 5000 series laser is coming to an end here in the very near future.

Hodess: If I could have just a quick follow-on to that idea, Bob, with the production cycle of the 5000 done, and with the 5010 having a lot of the substantial features built in in terms of the reliability and whatnot, what does that say uh, I think Bill said in his comments that the gross margins ex the charge were about 31% in the quarter. So with the mix predominately the 5010, what does that say relative to gross margins in the next few quarters?

Angus: It's going to be about on a par, basically.

Hodess: So the 5010 gross margins run on a par with the 5010?

Angus: No, I was talking about overall gross margin performance of the company, given the levels we're at. I think ultimately, as the revenues start to go up, you're going to start to see better gross margin performance.

Leonard Sanders, Needham and Company: You started to address in your prepared remarks some of the reasons R&D went down sequentially. Could you illuminate us a little more on that?

Angus: Lenny, it's more of a timing thing than anything else. You've got a program and you're executing against it. We didn't lose engineers or scientists or anything like that. It was just the way the programs happened to work their way out. Retrospectively, we may have been a little high the quarter before. It's not something that uh where you have total control over. You hope to get close, but it's not an exact science.

Sanders: So you didn't get any special money from the government, or …

Angus: No.

Sanders: So you'd expect that the level might go forward at something in beween this quarter and last quarter?

Angus: Or even a little bit higher. I think the uh uh it could even be higher than the levels we were in Q3.

Sanders: And I missed your employee count, if you mentioned that.

Angus: I didn't and it is 703 at Dec 31.

Sanders: And the other question I had had to do with the infrastructure builds. You've been talking about that pretty much every quarter for the past year. And what is it that needs to be done that you haven't already done? Is it just because there are so many more independent chipmakers using your tool, so you just have to have more people in the field at each of these different locations?

Akins: Although we have been talking about that for several quarters, we haven't been proactively doing as much about it as we would have like to have done.

Angus: Well, remember now, we also built our field-service infrastructure first, and that was one of the things that we were primarily finishing off in the first half of this year. And we pulled back somewhat due to the downturn in business conditions in the planned investment in expanding further our sales and marketing capability, Lenny. And now it's time to move forward with those plans.

Akins: We have detailed in the past, Lenny, the fact that some of our competitors have been putting on aggressive programs to take their companies directly to the chipmaker from a marketing point of view. And we have done that in the past. We have plans to do a lot more of that. We're implementing those now, so this new wave of expenditures will be for investing in a capability of truly developing a sales and especially marketing capability, for not only the direct customers but also the chipmakers.
Cymer 4th quarter 1998 Conference Call, Part 3 of 4

Mark Fitzgerald, Merrill Lynch: Can you give us an update where the inventory of 5000 stands out there today?

Angus: Yes. I believe our current estimate is that the inventory of 5000s less any tooling lasers is roughly 280 units.

Fitzgerald: So down about 30 units from last quarter?

Angus: Yeah.

Henry Vasco-Boinette (ph), Forum Capital Markets: I have several questions. The guidance that you guys gave for 5-10 % increase in the first quarter - I assume that most of that will come from increased demand, since you expect ASPs to level off here. Is that correct?

Angus: Yeah. I said that I think that you're going to see an increase in laser unit shipments, systems shipments during the quarter.

Vasco-Boinette: And when do you expect the 6000 laser to enter the top line?

Akins: I think we'll see a few shipments, but the 6000 won't be a material contributor to our revenue until about …

Angus: 'Bout Q4 or so.

Akins: Yeah, late this year. And then as we said in the prepared remarks, the ramp up will really start about that time, or sometime early in the year 2000.

Vasco-Boinette: And do you guys expect any additional inventory writeoffs in the next quarter, and if so was that included in the guidance of the 10-15%?

Angus: No, we're not anticipating any more inventory writeoffs. We really scrubbed that during this quarter, and at this point in time we are not.

Vasco-Boinette: And two last questions. Could you give us some guidance for the capex and depreciation and amortization for the year?

Angus: On an annual basis, the capex is going to be about 21 million dollars, and the depreciation should run about 19 million.

Peter Wolf, ING Bering Securities: I came in a little bit late. Can you talk about changes by geography in order levels? And also thru any new fabs and any of you new customers that you've gotten into?

Angus: Ooo. Uh, we didn't talk about that. We never disclose where are orders are coming from per semiconductor. We did give an historical recount on what our revenue was for last year, a breakdown of revenue of ASML of 37%, Nikon at 31, Canon at 20, and SVG at 6. That is a percentage of revenue. The orders are either going to come out of Japan, the Netherlands, or the U.S., and ….

Wolf: That's not what I mean. I mean by end customer.

Angus: What you mean is, installs.

Wolf: Right.

Angus: Yeah, that's the only way we're going to track that. I don't have an analysis immediately at hand, Peter, to help you with that.

Akins: I will point out, Peter, that in Q4 at least, we didn't get into any new factories, that we weren't already into by the end of Q3.



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Cymer 4th quarter 1998 Conference Call, Part 4 of 4

Nikolai Tischenko (tish-EN-ko), AB and Amerault (AM-er-oh): One more question regarding your relations with the end customer chipmakers. Do you have experience during last quarter, and are you planning in the next quarter, I mean, have you serviced lasers at the chipmakers sites? And have you installed any lasers?

Akins: Yes, Nick, we have a growing working relationship with the chipmakers who are utilizing our lasers. We do do the installs at the chipmakers of our lasers, so we're - we've been doing that for the last several years. And yes, we have been servicing the lasers for the most part ourselves, in cooperation with our direct customers. But more and more of that support comes from Cymer directly.

Tischenko: How you are attributing revenues from such services - are you include spares or you include them in the system shipments?

Angus: Well, early on here, as the systems are first installed, unless they're used extensively, after they're first installed, we normally have about a 12 month warranty period. So even though we're responsible, it's on our nickel, so that part is in the systems revenue. On an ongoing basis, to the extent that we'll have service contracts, etc., then that's going to show up in the non-systems revenue.

Ashish Kishoor, Credit Research and Trading: I know that you'd gone over this number, but I missed that cash burn from operations for the quarter and also for the year.

Angus: Sure. Capital spending, uh the operating activities utilized approximately 2 million cash during the quarter, capital spending was 4 million for the quarter compared to 5.3 for the third. And depreciation for the quarter was 4.3 million. For the full year we generated 16.2 million from operations with capital spending of 18.8 million.

Kishoor: And also on the balance sheet, your DSOs were up a little bit. Is there any particular reason for that?

Angus: No, just a fluctuation. We have very lumpy receivable, as you might imagine, and it was timing vis-à-vis when the sales happened, and we had more sales in December than we had as compared to October. So that's going to distort that a little bit.

Kishoor: Ok, and similar questions for interest expense. Was there increased indebtedness?

Angus: No.

Kishoor: It was up about 3.2 from the traditional 2.8 or so.

Angus: Yeah. We had an asset disposal. And that's the main difference there.

Kishoor: And can you just comment in general on the technology or capacity buys that you're seeing in Asia, especially from the contract houses? Is that accelerating, or pretty much stable compared to last quarter?

Akins: About stable. Certainly those foundries are investing here in the last year or two in some of the most advanced technology. But we haven't seen any significant shifts in that buying trend.

Kishoor: And business conditions in Japan, do you see any kind of upturn there, or is it still pretty dismal out there?

Akins: Still difficult. Lukewarm, lots of problems still to be solved. The consolidation issue is still to be dealt with. So, I think more time is necessary before we're going to be giving a strong thumbs-up to the chipmakers there.

Frederick Wolf, Adams, Harkness, and Hill: Can you please give us a feeling for when your R&D and SGNA will peak from this current buildup? And then I assume that it's going to start to plateau sometime after that. Can you give us a feeling on the timing?

Angus: I think you're going to start to see it fall as a percentage of revenues materially from its current levels in the second half of the year.

Wolf: Can we expect it to rise absolutely from Q1 to Q2?

Angus: In some cases yes, it depends on the category. Again, it's a timing issue with certain programs.

Wolf: And also, can you talk a little about … I know you talked about installed base, do you expect to maintain this basically 100% market share throughout the next couple of years, or do you think the competition is making any inroads in terms of real design wins as opposed to just playing with machines?

Akins: As we've said every time we're asked, we take the competition extremely seriously, and all of us learn more and more about the capabilities of those companies as time goes by. I think because we have very limited information, truly, about their products and what goes on inside their factories, we have to just say that we have … the reason we're making the investments in R&D, new product development, support capability, the ability to market ourselves directly not only to our customers but to chipmakers, is all just simply indicative of the fact that we're doing everything possible on our side to maintain our future ongoing competitiveness. For me to comment on what I think the competitors market share might be at some point in the future, would I think be irresponsible.

Wolf: Thanks you. Could you also say what your gross margin would be when you hit breakeven?

Angus: In the range of 34-35%.

Steven Connel, Capital Research International: On the topic you mentioned about the dynamic between whether customers are going to be buying more aggressive technology in the mask vs more aggressive technology from the laser uh stepper, I would think if you're going to spend 30,000 dollars on a mask, then you're not going to want to change and throw away that mask very often. So does this mean we're going to see more aggressive purchase of stepper and laser technology form foundries than we will from high volume makers like DRAM and microprocessors?

Akins: Hmmm. Good point. And obviously, especially a manufacturer of DRAMs is going to be able to leverage their investment in advanced mask technology more straightforwardly than someone who's building short runs of changing product. And from that point of view, having said those words, the indication of that would be that you'd find manufacturers in that position buying tools that are more capable inherently and therefore not having to invest as much in the mask technologies. Whether or not that actually turns out to be the case, I don't know. I think that whole thesis is … I brought that up because I think it's an important thesis that needs to be understood to really understand the roles of masks, lasers, and lithography tools going forward. But I want to reiterate my previous comment and that is that I think that all three of those dimensions are going to get pushed to the maximum for one reason or another in this industry. But it will be those kinds of considerations like how long the masks last and how many wafers you can process given a certain mask design before you have to change your run that will in part make that call. The other point is that as I understand it, phase-shift mask technology is at its best when it's improving the resolution over a number of repeatable features. And therefore when you're making things like DRAMs where cell geometry is highly repetitive in any given dimension, it's easiest to implement a softer phase-shifting to achieve additional resolution at our depth of focus. When you're working with non-repeatable features, changing geometries, isolated features, the challenge is more difficult. You have to invest in a more aggressive and expensive phase-shift mask technology, and there the tradeoffs between the mask technology or the more expensive lithography tool really gets called into question.

Wolf: Second question. Nikon has announced they're shipping 10 ArFl steppers this quarter. I think ASM is trying to catch up with them. Can you give us an idea of who's supplying those ArFl systems to them?

Akins: We're questioning right now if we agree with your thesis about the 10 …

Wolf: They say they have 10 in inventory. They're going to ship them in the 1st quarter.

Akins: Ok. That may be the case, I'm not going to comment on that particular thesis. It may be the case. It's difficult for me to make comments about, again, what market share we're going to have going forward. I can tell you that our ArFl products are qualified at Nikon. And I think I just can't say a whole lot more than that as far as what we anticipate their decisions will be.

Wolf: No, that's enough. Final question. On the book-to-bill, I was wondering how you could have a book-to-bill below one with revenues increasing in the quarter sequentially. Is that .91 a units book-to-bill or revenue book-to-bill?

Angus: It's a systems revenue book-to-bill, and as we said, the spares business is moving to a book and ship business. So we're obviously going to have more turns business in the quarter as we did last quarter.

Jay Deahna, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter: I think you said that your installs were 338 systems in 1998. For interanl purposes, do you pretty much assume that installs equal the lithography market?

Angus: Well, you gotta … what were we saying there, about a dozen of our competitor's got installed, so there's at least 12 to 13 you'd have to add. And you've got some micrascans that didn't have any lasers at all that we assume were sold this past year. I don't keep track of SVG's business in my head, so you'd know better than I on that one, Jay.

Deahna: And then the last question: if your revenues are going to be up 5-10%, and your loss is going to be between 10-15%, does that imply that your operating expenses are up in the neighborhood of 30-35% sequentially?

Angus: Ummm… Yes.

Deahna: And the split between SGNA and R&D is fairly even or a little more skewed towards R&D?

Angus: Yeah. It's a little more skewed towards R&D.

Henry Vasco-Boinette (ph), Forum Capital Markets: You guys have 11.6 million dollars on your revolving loan on the balance sheet. What was it last quarter and what is your current revolver?

Angus: 9.6 was the outstanding.

Vasco-Boinette: And what was is the total current revolver available?

Angus: 25.