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To: Feraldo who wrote (24118)	10/30/1998 9:56:00 AM
From: DJBEINO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Cisco security plan for directory stalls By Benjamin Keyser InfoWorld Electric Posted at 2:43 PM PT, Oct 29, 1998 Cisco Networking Services for Active Directory (CNS/AD) will not be capable of implementing security until a Windows 2000 (formerly Windows NT 5.0) domain controller is up and running. Speculation has been rampant that the release date of CNS/AD may precede the release of Windows 2000 because of Cisco Systems' knowledge of the inner workings of Active Directory. But CNS/AD will not become fully functional until the release of Windows 2000, company officials said. Without the security piece in Windows 2000, which is an implementation of the Kerberos security specification, CNS/AD will not be able to implement policy-based network management. Policy-based network management is the holy grail of directory services, without which its usefulness is minimal. "Cisco made the decision to integrate with Active Directory at a time when Novell's future was uncertain," said Jamie Lewis, an analyst at the Burton Group, in Midvale, Utah. "They felt they needed to get under the covers of the directory in order to tightly integrate to get the functionality they wanted ... so they made the agreement with Microsoft for Active Directory," Lewis said. Now that Active Directory is late, and Novell Directory Services is already shipping, many customers and analysts are asking whether Cisco will change course and make a deal with Novell. "We are talking with Novell and the directory is one of the things we're talking with them about," said Cisco representative Erin Bergamo. Even though there have been no public partnership announcements, Novell and Cisco are cooperating on network device management standards. Both sit on the board of the Desktop Management Task Force. infoworld.com

To: Feraldo who wrote (24118)	10/30/1998 6:28:00 PM
From: Duane E. Werth	Respond to of 42771

Whoa! NetWare is far more scaleable than NT. At a time when "Super Servers" were the thing to have, no NT server could get past 100 logged in users without going to it's knees. Not much has changed. Maybe you can squeak 200 in, but don't let them do too much printing or file access. NetWare has consistantly smoked NT with up to 1000 users on a single server. Once you start "banging" on NT servers, you need a server for every function: Print, RAS, email, management, web, etc, etc. Been in this business too long to let you run that statement without a rebuttal.

To: Feraldo who wrote (24118)	10/31/1998 1:56:00 AM
From: Peter Connolly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Feraldo, you are a fool. You believe too many things that are put in 'print', eg. made public on the web. Dell have not migrated any large amount of users from NetWare to NT with success, and secondly if they had, do you think that the numbers of servers would be lower? - You wish. What do Dell sell? Hardware, of course, you idiot. Do they want to sell anything else? Of couse not, you cretin - You've fallen for one of the biggest lies that can be mentioned on the net (just about) legally. 25,000 machines? Where the hell are you going with that figure - Dell have around 17,000 employees, me smells a stink that's pretty fake. Who are you and who do you work for? Answer up, you waster. So far you're talking shit. Dell is not switching from NetWare to NT for it's operations (the money making bit). Marketing maybe but doesn't that tell you a whole load about the company. "We trust our marketing to MSFT, but when it comes down to it, we still run our mission critical systems on NetWare, because we know it works" By the way, I've worked for Novell and Dell. Would you care to argue the point I've made from your position of ignorance? Thought not. Bye Bye - you weren't much of a scrap, part-timer. Peter