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To: Boplicity who wrote (76028)10/31/1998 10:39:00 PM
From: Ian Davidson  Respond to of 176387
 
Well I don't know about this article Greg. Lots of gloom and doom about. Louis Rukeyser (who I would trust a lot more than Yardeni)thinks this is all a bunch of bunk, as do many others. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I sure hope Louis is right.

Ian



To: Boplicity who wrote (76028)10/31/1998 10:46:00 PM
From: hdl  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 176387
 
This week's Barrons as usual has a negative article on Dell



To: Boplicity who wrote (76028)11/1/1998 12:08:00 PM
From: exhon2004  Respond to of 176387
 
Greg:

re <<Could the Cinderella Stock Market Turn Into a Pumpkin?>>

Here's an article about Deutsche Bank, the employer of Edward Yardeni. Not very flattering, looks like either Ed's been giving his employer bad advice or they don't listen to him:

From Business Week November 2:

COMMENTARY: BANKERS TRUST IS THE LAST THING DEUTSCHE NEEDS

For months now, Deutsche Bank (DTBKY) chief Rolf E. Breuer has been telling anyone who would listen that his bank might buy a major U.S. investment bank. ''If we see opportunities, we'll seize them,'' he says. And now that the emerging-markets crisis has caused U.S. bank stocks to plunge, cash-rich Deutsche Bank appears ready to start doing a little bargain-hunting: Deutsche has held preliminary talks to buy troubled Bankers Trust Corp. (BT), whose capitalization even now is barely above its $5 billion net asset value. On Oct. 20, the share price of both banks jumped on speculation about a possible deal.

It's strange that Deutsche Bank's shares would rise: In German financial circles, even the idea of such a bid is seen as evidence of just how badly Germany's biggest bank is floundering. Its investment-banking strategy is in tatters, and there are widespread rumors, which are denied by the bank, that it has suffered huge trading losses as the financial crisis and U.S. rate cuts have caused German government-bond spreads to widen unexpectedly. Even with deal rumors giving them a boost, Deutsche's shares are trading at not much more than their net asset value. And its top management is deeply divided.

ORDER AT HOME. Indeed, outsiders speculate that Deutsche may be considering a troubled target because its management couldn't survive the takeover of a stronger bank--say J.P. Morgan & Co. (JPM), which it is also said to have considered. ''A reverse takeover of Deutsche by Morgan would make a lot more sense than buying Banker's Trust,'' snipes a consultant who has worked with Deutsche. In reality, the last thing Deutsche needs at this point is to take over a troubled bank. Analysts estimate it has poured at least $3 billion into its own investment bank during the past decade and still hasn't gotten it right. Rather than making bold moves in the U.S., Deutsche Bank should be getting its house in order at home.

Deutsche could take a lesson or two from German behemoth Daimler Benz (DAI), in which the bank has a 22% stake. Back in the early 1990s, Daimler too seemed troubled. But a management shake-up and concerted restructuring got it back on track. Now, it's within days of completing one of the most daring deals in German history, the $88 billion merger with Chrysler Corp. (C). In this case, there's no doubt about which company is running the show: It's Daimler CEO Jurgen Schrempp and his team, even though Chrysler's management is also strong.

Unlike Daimler, however, Deutsche Bank is moving too slowly to shake itself up inside Europe. That's why most analysts have little hope that Breuer's plan to raise pretax return on equity to 25% by 2001 will succeed, especially with emerging-market losses now crimping returns. The bank needs to cut deeper, by shuttering several hundred of its 2,288 branches--a move it has so far resisted. It also needs to give up on the mergers and acquisitions end of its investment bank for now. That's a field where it has consistently failed despite doling out huge bonuses to lure talent.

One good sign is that Deutsche seems to be quietly bolstering its management ranks. Michael Endres, the board member who oversees the bank's back-office operations, is leaving at yearend. Ex-colleagues say that Ronaldo Schmitz, a board member partly responsible for investment banking, has had his duties cut back. The bank, however, denies rumors that he, too, will leave. Endres is expected to be replaced by Hermann-Josef Lamberti, 42, an ex-IBM executive. Deutsche's investment bank is now run by Josef Ackermann, brought in two years ago from Credit Suisse. He is widely seen as a possible heir to Breuer, 60, who is expected to retire in 2002. But the bank badly needs more outsiders to challenge its stuffy consensus management system. Non-Germans with investment-banking experience should get top priority.

OPAQUE BOOKS. Finally, Deutsche Bank needs to take a more open approach to shareholders. In contrast to Daimler, which won the confidence of investors by adopting U.S. accounting standards, Deutsche's financial reporting remains relatively opaque. Analysts fear Deutsche Bank would have to pay cash for a U.S. acquisition, while Daimler was able to do a share deal for Chrysler, partly because its shares are listed in the U.S. To raise money, Deutsche Bank might have to sell some of its $23 billion in industrial holdings. That would require the bank to pay Germany's 50%-plus capital-gains taxes. Opening its books wider and increasing profits, as Daimler has done, would be a cheaper option in the long run.

Of course, Breuer is right to go looking for opportunities. But the place he should be looking first is his home market. And the best model to follow is probably not flashy U.S. investment banks but the maker of his chauffeur-driven car.

By Thane Peterson

Best Regards,

Greg Gimelli






To: Boplicity who wrote (76028)11/1/1998 1:14:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette  Respond to of 176387
 
Yardeni Shmardeni.

Shooting off hot air is one thing but where is the empirical evidence or any other to back up the arguments?Weak personal opinions don't cut it unless it comes from one of us laymen.... and another thing that Wheat First or whatever guy didn't offer any supporting evidence either,perhaps he should consider going back to wheat cultivation.Oh the Dines fellow better get back to his dining.<vbg>

Man,I hate these pundits and their 'know-it-all' attitude.



To: Boplicity who wrote (76028)11/1/1998 3:13:00 PM
From: Ken Beal  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 176387
 
Hi Greg,

Re: gloom and doom article.

I had an interesting insight just now while reading this article:

I will only invest in American technology companies.

Why? Well, there may be other opportunities around the globe. But right now, America has the best government possible. Our citizens are allowed to keep most of the money they earn, and if one of us has a good idea for a business, we can start the business without worrying that it'll be usurped by eminent domain.

America has the most efficient social system. It's easy to move up, and it is determined solely by your skills (of course, those skills may involve sleeping with the boss, or playing golf, but that's a part of life -- determining which skills are necessary in order to better your position).

And that's another thing that's great about this country: we can choose which skills to focus on, unlike some countries in which your job (or marriage!) is determined for you by an outside agent (parents or testing board).

While there may be better opportunities in the short term in emerging markets, I'd rather follow an American industry leader who is now investing in different countries. This leader has many people working for him who can determine whether a country is a good place to currently invest. They have a lot more data at their disposal than I do. So rather than trying to find a good country (and then, a good company within that country) to invest in, I'll just invest in this industry leader and then my investment will "follow" them to these other countries.

Because this company's base of operations is America, chances are slim that problems in the new country will wipe out the company. However, if I invested in a company that existed in the emerging country, chances are much greater that a problem in the country will wipe out the company. So an American investment is safer, too.

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To make this growing story shorter, I will restate my position: I will only invest in American, technology companies. American because capitalism beats every other method of distributing wealth (give more of it to those who produce more -- this ensures an upward spiral). Technology because technology allows us to do more with less, and those who are doing the most with the least are in another upward spiral.

Then, within that subset of companies, choose those who: have an excellent build-to-order model, are not setting up conflicts among potential sets of customers (channel vs. direct), are able to get new products to customers in record time (inventory turnover), and have the highest customer satisfaction rating.

There are other technology companies out there that I can put my money into. Dell, from my research, is the best (so far).

I hope that we all continue to research other companies being born and post our findings here, so we don't get stuck on a steam train when the rocketship's being boarded. But I have no doubt in my mind that this will happen -- as time goes on, more and more of us will be able to retire and will have more time to spend researching other opportunities. (In fact, it's already got so much traffic that I no longer read the entire thread.)

Good trading (trading? What am I talking about! I mean holding) to all of you,
KenB