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To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (17261)11/1/1998 12:51:00 PM
From: dennis michael patterson  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 42787
 
Favors for you

Jerry Favors Analysis - Sunday, November 1, 1998 7 p.m.

For the last few weeks we stated that the Dow should see
some sort of cycle low near October 28 plus or minus a day or
so,and then begin another rally. Oue cycles had called for a
short term top near October 22 and a deline into a low near
October 28. The Dow reached a closing high of 8533.79 on
October 22 exactly,then fell to a closing low of 8366.04 on
October 27. The intraday low this week of 8271.60 occurred on
October 28 exactly. The Dow then turned up as the Cycles and
the Bradley forecast,so far rallying 226 points on a closing
basis,331 points on a print basis and 446 intraday from last
week's lows. We expected a low near October 28 and we got
that low on October 28 exactly at 8328.71 on a print basis.
While the Dow reached a low last week in line with our
forecast,we had to decide whether we would take subscribers
long in this time frame or not. It was really a question of
whether we believed the rally would last long enough and
carry the Dow high enough to make it worth our while to go
long . The reason we chose not to go long despite the fact
that we expected a strong rally after October 28 was that our
work suggested the rally off that low would be relatively
short lived,lasting no more than few days into early next
week.The major indicies are completing 5 waves up from the
October 8 low in this time frame. This means that even if we
see a further rally early this week,which we believe is
likely,that rally will be followed by a strong 3 wave decline
into late this week. The critical short term support for next
week will be 8271.60 intraday and 8328 on a print basis. If
both of those levels are broken next week then a much larger
decline will follow. That decline could easily take the Dow
down near 8100 if both of the above support levels are
broken.
The Cycles call for a short term high near November 2
plus or minus 1 or 2 trading days and then a stronger decline
into November 6 plus or minus 1 or 2 days. From there the
Cycles turn up strongly into November 25. We have a 23 week
Cycle high due near November 25.This Cycle has caught some of
the most important highs of the last 16 years or more. There
is also a Lindsay Top to Top Count calling for some sort of
high near November 25.
Just as the Gann Swing Chart Cycles suggested we were
near a short term low near October 28 the short term daily
charts suggest we are again near a short term high. As of
last Wednesday we were at an extreme from 1 Gann Trendline
low to the next short term low.This suggested there was a
high probability that we were near a short term low. We are
now at an extreme from one top to the next top. This suggests
the Dow should see some sort of short term high within a day
or two,if we have not seen one already.
We have been asked several times this week whether we
thought it was possible that the Bradley was inverting here
and we were reaching a top near October 28 plus or minus 2
days instead of a bottom. If this scenario proved correct the
Dow would be reaching the next important top right in this
time frame and begin a decline below 7400. We cannot totally
rule that possibility out. We just do not believe that is the
most likely scenario from here.
We believe we could see one more rally above 8660 early
this week before the corection begins.This would be in line
with the Cycles forecast. If so a sharp correction would be
expected to follow into a low near Nov. 6 plus or minus 1 or
2 trading days. If we are right about that correction and the
technical indicators support our position we will give a Buy
Signal for all subscribers at that time. If we are right the
rally from the low in that time frame should last long
enough and move high enough to make it worth our while on the
long side for all subscribers. But until then we believe
there will be a better buying opporunity near Nov. 6 plus or
minus 1 or 2 days.
Short term traders if the Dow reaches 8718 on a print
basis go short with a stop of any close above 8932 in the
Dow. Otherwise wait for new instructions Monday evening.
For all subscribers, Leslie, our office manager, will be away
on vacation for the next 2 weeks. If you need to contact our
office for any reason prior to her return please fax us at
614-868-1397. Julie and Charlotte will handle your messages. Our
business phone lines are almost always busy
these days and your questions or concerns will be most easily
answered by fax. We cannot guarantee that every fax will be
answered. We get over 50 faxes per day as well as E-Mail and
phone calls. Obviously we cannot answer all of these
questions or concerns each day. But our subscribers are most
important to us so if you have a real problem we will try to
respond ASAP.



To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (17261)11/1/1998 5:20:00 PM
From: Teddy  Respond to of 42787
 
hi everyone, I don't post here much because for the most part you are all way smarter and more experienced than me. I do read every post and I have learned a lot. Now that I've said that, let me add that I am very surprised that anyone is doubting that there will not be at least two more interest rate decreases.

Uncle Al Greenspan showed in the early 1990s that he is prepared to cut interest rates aggressively if he believes there is a problem to deal with. Back then, before I was able to invest for myself, the crisis was in the U.S. banking industry. I think Uncle Al will do the same thing this time because of the present concerns about a domestic credit crunch triggered by the global financial crisis. Uncle Al has much bigger things to think about than last month's GDP or a couple of hundred DOW points.

Here's an article from a whole week ago (the world did not change in the last week) explaining we should see more interest rates cuts:

archive.thestreet.com
Wrong! Take Two: Cramer's Rewrite of His Watch the Bond Market Column

By James J. Cramer
10/24/98 12:16 AM ET

From this little piece, I must have gotten two dozen requests to do a rewrite. As I am from the "customer is always right" school (unless you send me a nasty email), here goes.

People, the bond market is bigger than the stock market.
(About 10 times bigger. And far more important to the way business is done in this country. It is the lifeblood of business, not the equity market, and it provides the day-to-day cash for many enterprises large and small.)

The problems are in the bond market, not the stock market. Right now, the Fed could give a %^$#&^^#%&^# about the stock market. If it saves it, that's a moral hazard that the Fed will have to pay the price for. It will. (I could not believe how many people told me I was nuts for saying this. Except our fixed-income readers -- they all applauded this piece as the first piece that told of the real plight. They know the truth. You can't float a bond in this environment. In fact, the last piece of paper that got done of any size was that giant Worldcom (WCOM:Nasdaq) offering. Boy that could never get done today. We hear hints of the problems.

Ascend (ASND:Nasdaq) and Lucent (LU:NYSE) advance capital -- people like it from Lucent, hate it from Ascend. But you never read about the real pain in this market. It has always been like that on Wall Street.

The day I first interviewed at Goldman Sachs, I was amazed to find that equities, at the most important equity house on Wall Street, were virtually Lilliputian compared to bonds. All the real big money came from underwriting. As the bull market took off, it got even worse. The big money came from securitization of different pieces of credit, car mortgages, house mortgages, credit-card mortgages. You name it. These giant pieces of paper were sold and sold aggressively. That's where the real money was. The underwriting fees from the issuers were enormous. But you could trade these pieces of paper and take 1/8th, as they say, and make millions. I never made as much money selling stocks as I did with bonds. Ever. And bonds always sell like hotcakes because people have to own them. Pensions have to own them. Retirees have to own them. They can take every piece of paper ever made and sell it -- even that Milken junk. Until now.

Now, there is no money. Now, there are no buyers.
That's the point of this article. By the way, Treasuries used to be sold aggressively when the government used to print them like newsprint. You could make pretty good money taking 1/64th on those! And what the heck is Jimmy Rip Van Rogers talking about? Our government doesn't do this stuff any more. We are skinflints. Have been since Clinton got in. I am no fan, but he's gotten the bond market right, for certain.)


I keep reading that the worst is over. It may be in the stock market. But the bond market? Heck, it is just beginning. (In other words, the marginal buyers of everything but treasuries were, for the most part, accounts that looked and acted exactly like Long Term Capital. When you buy stocks and you want to leverage, you can borrow up to half of the value of the stock. When you buy bonds, you can repo them, get more money, leverage that and leverage it some more. Heck, you can borrow 10 times what you have. And if the Fed and the lenders turn a blind eye, you can borrow 20 times. And if the ex-Fed guys are involved and the lenders are invested, we know now you can invest 100 times your money. Or their money. Or whatever money you may be playing with.

This market was like that scene upriver in Apocalypse Now when Martin Sheen is asking those soldiers at night "Who is in charge here?" and they turn to him and say "You are." Sure, nominally the Fed in New York is in charge, but that's a whole other story, one that no one is willing to do because it is too hard. Bond traders have always acted as if they had the full faith and credit of the U.S. government behind their purchases. Turns out they don't have the faith or the credit of anybody. Since Long Term Capital, what has happened is that no firms want to lend you money to finance bond inventories.

If you are sitting on a giant inventory of bonds and you are Fannie Mae (FNM:NYSE), that's cool. You have no financing problems. But if you are anybody else, believe me, you need some financing to keep all of that inventory. In normal times, you could sell off what you had to sell if the lenders want their capital back that they lent you to take down bonds. But these are not normal times. The lenders want their money back, as they are all capital-constrained right now and are trying to slim down their balance sheets -- they basically loaned way too much, every brokerage house loaned way too much -- and the borrowers can't sell the fixed-income junk they have because the brokerage desks won't bid for the stuff and every other buyer is full up.

So, one by one, these big players either liquidate via auction at prices that are barely able to keep them in business, or they default and lose the whole ball of wax, or they file bankruptcy a la Criimi Mae (CMM:NYSE). The numbers are staggering. We are talking billions of dollars in loans from brokerage houses that can't get paid. To make matters worse, the brokerage houses already have billions upon billions of dollars in inventory. And they are sitting on pieces of Long Term Capital's inventory. And nobody has the capital or the inclination to buy this stuff except at vastly reduced prices. As the crisis is worldwide -- all of the major banks in Europe were in this, and the Japanese were in too -- and simultaneously everybody wants to shrink his balance sheet -- there has been no movement in the market whatsoever. If the sellers elect to sell at the prices that the brokers are bidding, they will be forced to mark their other positions down to where they will have even less collateral, which will beget more margin calls, which will beget more forced selling. It is a real Mexican standoff. So, one by one, these holders of paper wither or default.)
That's where the layoffs and the shutdowns are occurring. (Not only are the brokerages all trying to shrink their balance sheets, they are all trying to shrink these departments. They may not need all of those fixed-income traders and salesmen because there are no new issues to sell, nobody to sell them to right now as everybody just wants plain old Treasuries, where very little money is being made trading and selling because it has become so competitive and there are so few 30-year auctions, where all of the juice -- mark-ups, commish, whatever -- was to begin with. So, inexorably, everyone of these firms wants to fire people, streamline fixed income and get these incredibly expensive people off their books. It will only get worse when the bonuses, if there are any, get dispensed next month. Then I imagine we will see real bloodshed.) That's where the market that has ceased to function. (No one wants to take down any inventory. No one wants to extend financing. So, imagine a housing market with no new houses being created and no mortgages available so you had to pay with cash. Would you want to be a realtor, a contractor, a developer in that market? That's what the bond market looks like right now: a giant, multitrillion-dollar housing market with no mortgages available.)

Let me write that again: ceased to function. (This is why I branded Bankers Trust in denial. This is why I wish that there were many more people writing about Long Term Capital instead of the equity market. This is why, except for Tom Wolfe, nobody seems to even know where the real masters of the universe used to reside. They resided in the bond market, not the stock market. And they are no more. And the people, the vast number of people you see downtown, are not needed anymore either.)

As that market is only about 10 times as important to the U.S. economy as the stock market, we should not gauge the stock market's strength as a measure of whether the Fed should be worried. (Remember, it is not just the corporate bond market that is frozen. It is the collateralized security market -- mortgages, car loans, credit cards. It is the emerging debt market -- that's just vanished, vaporized, without a trace. It is the municipal market, nothing cooking there. Heck, even commercial paper has dried up. There is nothing for these people to do except eat pizza all day.)

If this freeze continues, a month from now, you could go to the fixed-income floors of the major firms on Wall Street and turn them into bowling alleys. (I am not being overly dramatic. These people are dead men walking if this thing doesn't turn around soon. And those who follow stocks won't know the difference.) There is still no liquidity. No credit. Nothing.

So, if you think the Fed is done easing because the market rallied 1,000 points, you are looking at the wrong market. It's the fixed-income market, stupid. (Yes, there is a solution to all of this. You cut the rate that everybody borrows at overnight to some minimal level, say 3%, such as we had in 1990-91. That makes it more likely that these firms can finance inventories without going belly-up.
Easier money in the form of lower rates would make much of this paper more attractive to buyers. It would solve the inventory problem. It would solve the credit problem. If it is not solved, we will have a bad recession. That is written. I don't care what the economists/talking heads say, this logjam gets broken or we go into recession.

But the logjam is broken by making the overnight rates dramatically cheaper, so inventories of illiquid bonds don't cost much. The Fed, in its initial ease, hoped that the problems weren't as systemic as they turned out to be. Worldwide bond market shutdown isn't good for anybody. And it can be changed. The rates are low in Japan, but no banks have enough capital to finance inventories of bonds, and they are already financing real estate that loses value by the day. So it has to be us. We are the only ones who can break the logjam.

Heck, if it causes the stock market to shoot up, so be it. We have no choice. Greenspan knows this. Now. That's what the second ease said.

Why is no one else writing about this crisis? Maybe because they don't have any friends in the fixed-income business. I have tons of them. I know what's going on, and I don't want them to lose their jobs because of this crunch. But they will if the Fed does not ease big and fast. Amazingly, everybody who trades at the multimillion-dollar level, where corporations are financed, knows this. But no one in the press has a clue, and the talking heads they present seem equally oblivious. This is like if the Dow were to have dropped to 4,000 points overnight, except more stark, because the Dow would not yield 12% at these prices like many of these bonds do.)
That's what you should be paying attention to. (How do you follow this day to day? Read the credit columns. Look for new issues. If you see a pickup, that's good news. But I don't think you will.)

If it still exists. (Yeah, remember, bonds are capitalism. Stocks are offshoots of bonds. Stocks can do well in the very environment described, provided the corporations don't need financing and have big cash flows. Right now, corporate America is very liquid, so we don't see the problems yet. But if we wait around, we will. The Fed knows this, though. I got very negative on stocks when I did not think the Fed understood what I am describing in this very column. How could they? The New York Fed, which is supposed to monitor this stuff, was too close to Long Term Capital to see the problems.

But, believe me, they know it now. And they can solve the problem. Which is why I am no longer bearish. Can't be. Not on equities. Not given the easings that the Fed will have to do put the fixed-income markets back to work again.)


James J. Cramer is manager of a hedge fund and co-chairman of TheStreet.com. At time of publication his fund was long Bankers Trust, Fannie Mae and WorldCom, although positions can change at any time. Under no circumstances does the information in this column represent
a recommendation to buy or sell stocks. Cramer's writings provide insights into the dynamics of money management and are not a solicitation for transactions. While he cannot provide investment advice or recommendations, he invites you to comment on his column by sending a letter to TheStreet.com at letters@thestreet.com.




To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (17261)11/1/1998 9:18:00 PM
From: Electric  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42787
 
Lee,

I am in the same boat as you, I hate waiting and seeing. All it does is piss me off..lol

I will be mostly cash though in about 10 days, unless I buy a stock or somthing.

I just dont feel good about how people are dismissing the problems that are still out there and especially how high P/E's are. I dont mind high P/E's if the company has earnings to support it (DELL, MSFT, CSCO etc) but when I see DIS with its PE and others too I feel a bit uneasy.

I also think that MU is a good stock to attack when it has had a week or so to run, then an analyst will come out and say that MU has been reporting a loss for the last 5 yrs, and that their situation hasnt changed. Then you will get the 10 point drop you are looking for.

I am surfing charts on www.coveredcalls.com and it is amazing how many stocks have gone from 30,40,50 to 5 bucks. There is some money to be made if one wants to dig a little.