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To: Ira Player who wrote (3165)	11/3/1998 1:08:00 AM
From: Cheeky Kid	Respond to of 32871

Okay this is bad as it gets: C:\>tracert si2.go2net.com Tracing route to si2.go2net.com [206.253.196.11] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 22 ms 20 ms 21 ms 2 182 ms 17 ms 15 ms 3 23 ms 14 ms 12 ms 4 47 ms 76 ms 123 ms h4.bb1.cal1.h5.bb1.van1.uunet.ca [205.150.241.65] 5 49 ms 29 ms 46 ms Hssi8-1-0.BR1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [137.39.250.58] 6 44 ms 37 ms 28 ms 331.atm1-0.HR2.SEA1.alter.net [137.39.21.222] 7 31 ms 38 ms 40 ms Fddi1-0.GW2.SEA1.Alter.Net [137.39.42.194] 8 295 ms 325 ms 361 ms internap-gw.customer.ALTER.NET [137.39.136.138] 9 80 ms 43 ms 42 ms border3as.fe0-0-fenet1.sea.pnap.net [206.253.192.135] 10 42 ms 47 ms 34 ms bip-in.go2net.com [206.253.217.3] 11 43 ms 42 ms 33 ms si2.go2net.com [206.253.196.11] Trace complete.

To: Ira Player who wrote (3165)	11/3/1998 1:12:00 AM
From: justaninvestor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32871

Ira - you're in the bush leagues with those times! I didn't see anything over 140ms. Try 600ms to 900ms and then we'll talk. <g> It makes responding to a post a hair pulling experience - I average about 1 1/2 to 2 minutes.

To: Ira Player who wrote (3165)	11/3/1998 6:03:00 AM
From: Paul Winston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32871

The number of hops is not any way to judge performance on the Internet. Try ping. I usually use about 1000 pings for a quick test of end-to-end performance. 2 things to look for are packet loss and average round trip time. You want the Average round trip time to be less than 10% higher than the Minimum round trip time -- the closer the better. If the average packet gets back to you at the same delta as the fastest packet can possibly get back to you do you care how many routers it goes through? If so, why? Web browsers usually work pretty well for low bandwidth users at surprisingly high packet loss rates. 20% packet loss end-to-end is probably the cutoff where the low bandwidth web user starts getting very, very frustrated. The lower the packet loss the better, of course. (I start getting frustrated at surprisingly LOW packet loss rates ;). -- Paul.