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To: O'Hara who wrote (21555)	11/3/1998 9:41:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Shalom, <<When of course, you mean that, Esther was probably even a bigger seductress, and she probably was a lot more treacherous too.! Since she had the blood of thousands of people on her hands, and just their blood did not satisfy her, but after she had the sons of Haman hanged in the palace, she insisted that they be hung on the gallows before all the people in public. The entire book of Esther was a drunken feast. As to Esther, I am not so sure as to why she is considered a heroine? I should start off by saying thatI have more questions Len, concerning the book of Esther, than I have answers.>> Can you please share the verses that you feel portray Esther as blood thirsty. The treacherous person was HAMAN. Was it not that her husband the King only allowed the Jews to defend themselves and not to be the attackers? The people that died IMO died because they were attacking the people of God. Esther was a beautiful woman that had allot of respect for her husband, enough to please him so much that she survived coming into his presence. This is the word of God and if there is a problem with understanding why it is there it is our lack of understanding of what God wants us to know. Does anyone care about what Haman was attempting to do? Can no one see that God used Esther to stop a trajedy? The Jews were not plotting anything, Haman was, and plenty of people went along with him at the loss of their lives. Esther was a heroine because of the love and loyalty she had for her people and her God IMO. Nancy

To: O'Hara who wrote (21555)	11/4/1998 10:27:00 AM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Shalom <<There is plenty mentioning of the greatness of Mordecai, but not of God.( Do you suppose that Mordecai might be the author of this book?)... >> I am sure that I am missing something, but are you implying that this book may not be the direct word of God? That it may in fact be altered by humans? I know that I am probably missing something very basic and that you will most likely be ecstatic to point it out to me, but I am VERY curious. Mark

To: O'Hara who wrote (21555)	11/4/1998 7:17:00 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Respond to of 39621

Many thanks Shalom. Wishing you well, Len

To: O'Hara who wrote (21555)	11/14/1998 4:42:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

" When of course, you mean that, Esther was probably even a bigger seductress, and she probably was a lot more treacherous too.! Since she had the blood of thousands of people on her hands, and just their blood did not satisfy her, but after she had the sons of Haman hanged in the palace, she insisted that they be hung on the gallows before all the people in public. The entire book of Esther was a drunken feast. As to Esther, I am not so sure as to why she is considered a heroine? I should start off by saying thatI have more questions Len, concerning the book of Esther, than I have answers. Why is there is no mention of God anywhere in the book of Esther?! Why is there No mention even as to giving Him thanks? Not even one time. Why is there no mention by Esther as to prayer to the God of Israel,(even though she told her people to fast for <b<her.) Why is there no mention of the people of Isreal either? Why is there no mention as to God delivering His people, either through Esther, or Mordecai. There is plenty of mentioning, however, of Esther and Mordecai making decisions and taking all the credit....Even Moses a far greater man, with many more credits to his deeds and, who had been used mightily of God...took no credit for what God had done, but instead gave all the glory to God, and made the children of Isreal to know it...that it had been God all the time, who delivered His people. There is plenty mentioning of the greatness of Mordecai, but not of God.( Do you suppose that Mordecai might be the author of this book?)... " The Book of Esther contained in the modern King James version is an abridgement of the original book of Esther. The original King James version contained the Book of Esther as it was found in the origina Hebrew and Septuagint versions of the Bible. A copy of the original King James translation can be purchased from Destiny Publisher in Merrimac, Massachusetts. The original Book of Esther had several additional inspired chapters that gave glory to God and his people in the traditional inspired Biblical sense. I researched this topic years ago and unravelled some of the mystery. After the destruction of the Temple, ancient Judaism divided between the followers of Jesus and the rejectors of Jesus. The followers of Jesus became the Christian Church and became modern antichrist Judaism. Before this split in anicent Judaism, the Hebrews had two authorized version of the Old Testament, the Hebrew and the authorized Greek or Septuagint. During the life of Jesus, the Septuagint was the most used version of the Bible since most Jews spoke Greek and little Hebrew during that era. The Septuagint or Greek version had been authorized and translated over 200 years before Jesus to accomodate the Greek speaking Jews. The Hebrew version was still the prefered version for Temple worship and in Judae. After the Resurrection of Jesus and the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., the hostility and division between the Jewish followers of Jesus and the antichrist Jews became formal. The Jews who accepted Jesus founded the Christian Church and began to spread the Gospel throughout the Roman world and beyond. The Jewish Christian community established the Greek or Septuagint version of the Old Testament and then also wrote the New Testament in Greek. It is obvious that the Holy Spirit choose the Greek language because it was the most widespread language in the Roman Empire in the first century. It became also obvious that the new Israel of God or People of God would be based on faith and not on the nationalistic and racial model of the old covenant or Hebrew dispensation. The ancient Hebrew model had served its prupose in bringing forth the new Israel of God. The Septuagint version of the Bible, like the ancient Hebrew version, had always contained the complete book of Esther as contained in what is now called the apocrypha in modern Protestant circles. The original Bookd of Esther takes away the mysteries and misconceptions contained in the modern King James version. The Jews who rejected Jesus, the antichrist Jews, convened the concil of Jamnia in 90 A.D. to redefine and reinvent a modern Judaism since the Old Testament Judaism had been superceded and the Priesthood, the genealogies, the Temple furniture, etc. had been destroyed in 70 A.D. During the creation or reinvention of modern Judaism, the antichrist Jewish leadership attempted to redefine the canon of Scsriptures according to their darken antichristin vision. These antichrist Jews had become extremely hostile the Jewish Christian Church and their acceptance of the Septuagint and the original Hebrew version. This pseudo-Judaism or NEW JUDAISM rejected all of the Deuterocanonical Books of the Hebrew and Septuagint versions. They adopted the abridged and modern version that we now find in the American King James version. An important point to remember in this short history is the fact that the leadership of this new pseudo-Judaism or modern Judaism no longer had the anointing of the Holy Spirit since they had rejected Jesus Christ--the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. When these modern pseudo-Jews established their new canon, they were in fact establishing a false canon that they continue to use until this day. Some of the Protestant reformers, because of their extreme anti-Catholicism, chose to follower the canon from the antichrist Council of Jamnia rather than the established canon in the Septuagint that the Jewish Apostles had established in the first century. The simple test of reading the Deuterocanonical version will establish that the Book of Esther is the Holy Word of God and belongs to the canon. The abridge version establish by the antichrist council of Jamnia is indeed without the Holy Sirit and is carnal. Emile