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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Johnathan C. Doe who wrote (12816)	11/4/1998 4:16:00 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 67261

The justification of every liar living with a little guy complex. <<It is best to tell the truth at all times except when a judgment call indicates that there are larger issues involved and your enemies are using the imperative of tell the truth as a weapon against you.>>

To: Johnathan C. Doe who wrote (12816)	11/4/1998 4:23:00 PM
From: mrknowitall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Mr. Doe, re: "I would tell them that you should be honest when you are being fairly dealt with by a fair and honest system, " Of course, that leaves the child to make the determination about what is fairness and what is a fair an honest system. That kind of thinking is what has allowed Bill Clinton to get away with everything he's gotten away with over the years. Translated into reality, it means: "It is OK to lie because the people I disagree with are unfair." Wonderful message for a child. "I would teach them that back in the 80's the Democrats tried to be nice and upstanding when the Republican's fought them with dirty attack ads and they lost big." And you would perpetuate even more lies - another wonderful message for your child. The real object lesson of Clinton is that you can only get away with stuff like this for so long. Eventually, you slip up just a few too many times and you get caught. And, sometimes, not always, you have to pay the price for wrongdoing - sometimes, that is, if you're the President, and the folks that helped get you elected want to keep you there. Mr. K.

To: Johnathan C. Doe who wrote (12816)	11/4/1998 9:13:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 67261

>I think if I were teaching my children what the lesson to learn about Clinton's behavior is; I would tell them that you should be honest when you are being fairly dealt with by a fair and honest system, but in the real adult world and particularly the world of politics; you enemies will try to use every dirty tactic available to them to discredit and undermine you and they will abuse any legitimate system of our society as a political weapon and in such circumstances, you fight dirty as well or you'll get your clock cleaned.< Yes. Just as I thought. You merely create a barbarous world for your very unfortunate children. My children have learned that despite the lack of principle in their adversaries, they must always hold to their own principles, working so much harder and better than their enemies that thy defeat them by sheer excellence. They have learned that while Bill Clinton thought it acceptable to lie to and take advantage of innocent people, this, to selfishly protect his own interests, they must never prey on others, particularly those who are in their trust. The child who operates thus will clean the clocks of the unprincipled child anyday, even should they lose some material skirmish. >I would teach them that back in the 80's the Democrats tried to be nice and upstanding when the Republican's fought them with dirty attack ads and they lost big. I would teach them that the lesson learned was that you have to fight for what you believe in and if one side fights dirty, you have to fight dirty in return. This is the great lesson the Dem's learned and Clinton did it well in '92. They attack; you attack.< Depending upon what one means by fighting dirty, this is all fine and well, but when fighting dirty refers to what Clinton did, then one merely teaches one's children that contradicting the basic rule of decency is fine when expedient. Clinton lied in '92, and he lied to very many who trusted him. Those who have children old enough to understand the nature of the Clinton animal and who have at least a basic sense that lying and cheating are wrong, will likely lose a great deal of respect for a parent who teaches them that Clinton's response was acceptable, even laudable. A great sadness.