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To: E who wrote (25802)	11/5/1998 3:23:00 PM
From: George S. Montgomery	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

O, E, I love you so much... It gives me distress to see, not that you answered, but that you became emotionally and intellectually involved with a slop-ass statement such as this: "I know the body is a temporary dwelling and we will still exist when the body fails. All the intelligence and consciousness that represents you and me will continue on. But where? This is truly the contaminated mist that Goddy absurdities are trying to dampen our slickers with. Its evil is its ability to cause such as you to seek into her inner self, and become contemplative, sad, or argumentative. Have more love and trust for yourself. Don't allow maniacs to tilt your bearings. geo ps: I am very serious about this. When I read that crap, my head said "Crap!" - on to the next. And then I find you penetrated by it. And I am disconcerted. Your daughter, having been born, has so much more beauty than most of our species! The most ill-used word in our news releases is "innocent." Now, talk about innocense - and you have the godshead! geo

To: E who wrote (25802)	11/5/1998 3:49:00 PM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

E, When I was younger I spent several weeks with mentally retarded children over the course of my summer camp vacations, and often wondered about the nature of their existence. My frame of reference was my reality, and based on my way of living in this world, it appeared, superficially, that I enjoyed a qualitative advantage over these children. I was wrong. Rarely, have I ever lived and loved as purely as these children (and even retarded adults) do on a daily basis. (I know I tread the line of romancing their existence, but this "purity" was a consistent vibration I enjoyed whenever I spent time with them on their terms) Just because the nature of their inner lives confounds us, does not diminish the quality or meaning of their existence. In my cosmology, souls choose the form of their corporeal reincarnation. I believe children like your daughter have chosen their present incarnation in order to experience something necessary to the process of the perfection of their souls. Tests have measured your daughter's IQ, but they can never measure her Soul Quotient, nor her Life Quotient, and they can't measure the spiritual alchemy that is occurring within her during this lifetime. I believe your daughter is living a very meaningful existence. Her soul is experiencing an existence beyond "intelligence", beyond "articulation"--perhaps she is here to teach herself about simply "being". You and your husband facilitate this lesson for her everyday, and that is a blessing. And there is the coincidence of incarnations. Just as she chose you as her parents, I believe you chose her as your child in the intersection of your desires. There are attendant lessons you may have "invited" into your life with her: unconditional loving, daily compassion, humility, sacrifice . . .perhaps these were experiences your souls found necessary on their travels. (Having cared for my infirmed father for many years prior to his death, and dealing with my mother's recurrent cancers has certainly taught me many meaningful life lessons I couldn't have learned in any other manner--lessons I believe I brought myself here to learn.) I believe that if your daughter completes her "mission" in this lifetime, she will move on to another incarnation in a form which she feels best suits her next lesson . I believe individual spirits/souls are intelligent and make such decisions as components of the "Great Mind" alluded to in the Webster definition of god we referenced last week. Rick

To: E who wrote (25802)	11/5/1998 8:18:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Respond to of 108807

E, I have had many years to think about just what you have asked. I worked with the handicapped for 4 years and my wife is a special ed teacher. There are all sorts of handicaps, some more obvious than others. But compared to Adam, the first man, we are all handicapped. It's just a matter of how much. I am sorry for the suffering you and your family have had. I can't think of any worse pain than to have something happen to your child. I know that when we leave the body we will be the spirit only which is our real self. I don't believe it because I read it. I know it. The limitations the body places on us and our perceptions won't be there any longer. People think they exist in the mind or body . But we exist in spirit form dwelling in our bodies for now. If you left your body you would not lose anything that you perceive of as yourself except the flesh. Your daughters handicap is more severe than yours or mine and limits her severely now. But those limitations won't bother her anymore after she is out of her body. Working with handicapped adults as I did helped me to see the dilemma we are all in. Seeing these people struggle with the burdens they were born with showed me that it was out of their control. The things they did that we considered unacceptable were not something they did deliberately. They are not accountable for it. The word says that for the person who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, for him it is sin. These guys had no clue what was the right thing to do, they could not be accountable. They could never reach the age of accountability and have to answer for their "sins". I believe they are the Lords from birth. And when they go to be with Him they will be aware and no longer handicapped. At the resurrection they will be given the same immortal body all the saints will receive. I hope I answered your questions. Bob

To: E who wrote (25802)	11/6/1998 7:52:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

E, I read the things you write with a kind of awe. You seem so grounded in who you are and sure of what you believe (and don't believe). I should have realized that for you to achieve that, life must have exacted a certain price from you. None of us knows what cost others pay and it's always irked me that people are so quick to draw comparisons and conclusions about someone else's life---either that they got there too easily, or that they have suffered too much, or that because they make things sound wonderful, therefore, it must BE wonderful and so they just don't understand about tough stuff.. That makes no sense to me. We ALL have bad stuff. Things that would crush me, others seem to handle with grace and ease. Things I find insignificant can dissolve another. My husband was furious, a rare state for him, when somone once said to him, "Oh what do you know about having to work for anything? Everything comes so easily to you." Or they say-"You're so lucky. You have such good kids." As if the boys just arrived like that and raised themselves. Our threshholds are different; our coping mechanisms vary. But I doubt any of us get by "easily". It's what we do with it all, what we learn, what we become. (I seem to be hung up on that tonight, don't I?) Today I was in the gyn's office for that beloved yearly exam and there was a darling little boy about 2 there with his mom. He had a music box that he would turn on and then stand in the middle of the floor dancing. Everyone was smiling; he was a joy. Later we were in the lab waiting room and he came up to me and said. "Hi!" All dimples. I said hi back and then to his mother, "He's adorable. And he's certainly friendly." His mother said, "Well, he's Downs syndrome and they're like that," in this kind of defensive voice. Then she patted her tummy and said, "And I'm having another. Do you think I'm crazy?" Ummm....no? Is there a right answer to this question? I knew he was Downs. It hadn't seemed important. But I guess it was--I don't know. I don't even know why I'm saying this--except something about it bothered me. But later, he didn't want to leave, and he started to whine. SHe picked him up and stood there, humming a little song in his ear and rocking back and forth, just loving him, and he got all calm and content. "I said, "He's a happy child not cause he's Downs but because you're a wonderful mom." Somewhere in there--I'm thinking of you.