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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (1152)	11/6/1998 3:11:00 PM
From: DaveMG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

Tero, "And here is Qualcomm with its stance on Symbian - once again trying to get complete control, eschewing power sharing and cooperation." When did Q try to get compete control of Symbian? or maybe that's not what you mean. You probably mean that joining with MSFT and working with CE they're working on a proprietary OS. Well guess what? Symbian is a a fraternity that I don't believe ever stooped so low as to offer Q a spot.You'll say it's because they're so belligerent but it's more likely because they aren't a member of the 20 bil+ sales club. "The price of failing to take part of early Symbian development will be exclusion from a potentially vast market of IT/mobile telecom integration My impression is that Q will be able to license Epoc from Symbian unless they are refused one, which I doubt will happen. BTW Symbian is a company that will license for MONEY it's proprietary operating system, sound familiar, intellectual property, FOR SALE. Q is also a Bluetooth Member so they're not locked out of that either. QCOM was willing to set up production in CHina, and I think MOT already does but not sure. "As with W-CDMA and CDMA2000 Qualcomm is once again playing double or nothing. Domination of global marketplace or failure. Isn't there a point where a 4 billion dollar company might want to decide to cooperate on some aspects of its business?" What are you talking about. Who has said anything about this joint venture being exclusionary. Maybe it is but we don't know that yet. They've already stated that it won't impact their pdQ product.It also apparently has something to do with corporate networks, maybe with the types of things a renamed and retooled Omnitracs might do.We'll all find out on Tuesday. What I'm hoping is this will be a relationship that will allow Q to leverage the manufacturing might of Wintel to produce scaled back laptop type mobile computing/radio devices. Q might not need to build more production facilities, they would get to drive infrastructure demand and it will be good for CDMA. You seem to see everything in Black and White and you're such an arrogant hypster...dave

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (1152)	11/9/1998 1:33:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 34857

Tero, Re, "As with W-CDMA and CDMA2000 Qualcomm is once again playing double or nothing. Domination of global marketplace or failure. Isn't there a point where a 4 billion dollar company might want to decide to cooperate on some aspects of its business?" I'm never sure whether you just like arguing or actually believe that stuff. QUALCOMM has always involved itself in joint ventures and licensing. That is co-operation. Nokia for example, has been a licensee for nearly all this decade. QUALCOMM Personal Electronics is a joint venture between Sony and QUALCOMM. QUALCOMM has formed other joint ventures. They have licensed many, many, many cdmaOne suppliers of all components of cdmaOne. They have licensed Philips for cdma2000. Of course they wish to dominate the global market. They are doing their best to have a big share in all aspects other than just royalties and licences. But they have also created competition so that cdmaOne and cdma2000 will succeed irrespective of the success or failure of any division of QUALCOMM. Talk about open! Taking a hard line on VW-40 is not to say they are playing 'double or nothing'. I don't think it is accurate to say that cdmaOne is at a dead end in China. Maybe a delay until this VW-40 business is sorted out and also some negotiating pressure to get better terms or even wait for the rapidly dropping price of cdmaOne equipment to become more attractive. All good sense. They also want to sort out who does what in China. None of that says that GSM is the sole technology for China forever. While there are quite a lot of handsets now in China, it is still small time per capita. They are not stuck with GSM because of the installations so far. Just as Australia is switching to cdmaOne, China is sure to switch to CDMA sooner rather than later. Every GSM tower they put in is another obsolete legacy waste of money. Did you see the amazing handsets being sold in Japan for cdmaOne? And those are not using the MSM3000. Which will enable much smaller handsets with longer talk times and standby times with more processing power and functionality. Be very afraid Tero! Nokia MUST get with the cdmaOne world before it is too late. I'm sure they will but if they believe the way you do, they will certainly miss the boat in the same way that L M Ericsson and Motorola got in big trouble and Nokia is running away with the legacy systems. Oh yes, tomorrow, another joint venture will be announced. So you are wrong to say that The Q! is going for all or nothing. Maurice