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To: Jerry in Omaha who wrote (7545)	11/18/1998 10:02:00 AM
From: Jerry in Omaha	Respond to of 9980

To Thread; I should correct myself. The President will be stopping short of Southeast Asia in South Korea. If he wants to sweet talk Ms. Aziz he'll have to do it by phone. He has shown some talent in that area in the past. Jerard P

To: Jerry in Omaha who wrote (7545)	11/18/1998 10:14:00 AM
From: Z268	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9980

Ramsey, Jerard, On Indonesians and their friendliness. This is true, it is almost a Jekyll and Hyde thing. During normal (read good) times, everyone is happy, friendly and courteous. During bad (read periods of riots) times, when emotions and mob mania run high, it is quite probable that your house, or shop can be looted by the very street vendors, casual workers that usually do business in the neighbourhood, and you may be bodily attacked by these very same people who called you "boss" or "tuan". The term "tuan" is a Dutch colonial relic, loosely translated as "boss" or "master". Recently there has been a trend to call everyone "Pak so-and-so", similar to the term "encik" in Malaysia. If I live in Indonesia, I would feel much more comfortable being addressed as "Pak" as opposed to "Tuan". Jerard, on the Malay word "amok" or Indonesian word "amuk", it is incredible how the English word and the Malay word can have remarkably similar meanings...<ggg> Just to provide a Malay view of Gore's words (which I incidentally support - it may be the sharp rebuke the Malaysians need), by Asian norms, this does indeed constitute bad manners, and if Gore is being described as "kurang ajar", you can bet that this episode will not be easily forgotten by the Malaysians. However, if Gore's words were uttered back here, it obviously will not have the same impact. One wonders if the words were a calculated risk.... Another Asian perspective. I caught a clip on CNN recently which featured some remarks by a current Thai minister or economic Czar (I can't remember his name, but he has a US Ivy MBA, and is widely respected in the West for his economic views, and is one of the few Thai Moslems to be prominent in public life - maybe one of you can help me out here). Anyway, this chap was quoting Henry Kissinger as saying that the current Asian malaise (those metaphors again, Jerard) was due to Asian intoxication with their recent economic successes. His rejoinder was "But guess who supplied the alcohol?" <bg> My trivia ramblings for the day... Best, Steve