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To: Charles A. King who wrote (10196)11/19/1998 8:47:00 PM
From: Ferick  Respond to of 13091
 
Thanks, Charles. Down deep, I don't put too much faith in forward looking statements concerning negotiations between Turkey and GRE.
I am enthused about the China connection. I think it's the irony.
GRNO closed at 1/4 today, I think.



To: Charles A. King who wrote (10196)11/20/1998 5:31:00 PM
From: MMender  Respond to of 13091
 
Charles and all. Received this in a news letter Does SC have a plan.

IFSC ( Interferon Sciences ) plans to sell operating loss carry over under New Jersey Plan. We must have plenty of that. We could always incorporate in NJ (VBG) Wonder how much cash we could get for it?

Eli



To: Charles A. King who wrote (10196)11/20/1998 8:16:00 PM
From: Norman H. Hostetler  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13091
 
Charles, putting the blame on the Kurds for human rights violations on them by the Turks is about as classic a case of blaming the victim as you can get. And assuming that the execution or incarceration of one leader will solve the problem is way too simplistic. The conflicts between the Kurds and the Turks goes way back into the dim mists of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were one of the Axis powers in WWI; the Kurds, listening to Western rhetoric of self-determination, started an uprising. (Note that the pattern is exactly the same as the one the Allies promoted and supported in the present Saudi Arabia, except that the Allies didn't send support to the Kurds--1) not much oil in the Kurdish area, compared to the Saudi's, and 2) Russia, which has some Kurdish peoples, didn't want an independent Kurdish state on its Southern doorstep). Using the war as an excuse, the Turks slaughtered some 500,000 to 600,000 Kurds, making no distinction whatsoever among men, women, and children, all of whom were demonized as internal traitors. After WWI was over and the oil sites were being divvied up among the Western powers, the Allies found it convenient to remember that their promises of self-determination and democracy were only intended for European peoples, not for the great unwashed of everywhere else (ironically, only Turkey itself came out of reconstruction after WWI with anything close to a democracy). The Turkish Kurds who survived got divided between Turkey and and the new state of Iraq (where Saddam experiments with poison gas and biological weapons on the Kurdish villages, despite the supposed no-fly zones). There is also a substantial Kurdish population in Iran. The Kurds in all these countries (something over 2.5 million people, if I remember right) have ever since been conducting more or less open campaigns for combining all the Kurdish areas into a Kurdistan nation. Whenever there is political turmoil in one of the countries, they foment more open rebellion, hoping to gain political alliances or advantages. When the consolidated power of the country is at its height, the Kurds lie low, resorting primarily to propaganda and education campaigns. Since the Kurds, traditionally more of a nomadic people, see themselves primarily as internees in occupied Kurdistan, they don't respect the "borders" of these countries as drawn on the map at Versailles without consultation with or approval by the Kurds. Denying allegiance and crossing boundaries as if they were not there of course annoys the current powers no end; so they interpret the Kurd's activities as "smuggling," "evading taxes," etc., and send the troops when they can afford it. When faced with military power, the Kurds engage in lots of passive-aggressive games which frustrate the hell out of the military troops and usually lead to brutal violence in retaliation. The West says tut-tut about human rights (we don't approve of rioting by the cops, most of which gets covered up, but when it doesn't, as in the Rodney King case, the cops get punished) and the local powers say quit messing around in our internal affairs, and the Kurds ask whose internal affairs they are talking about, since Kurdistan seems to have been left out of the discussion again.

The greed of the WWI Allies, who were determined to squeeze every last pfennig in reparations they could out of Germany, completely wrecked the German economy and destroyed the credibility of the nascent democratic government, thus creating the the conditions whereby the desperate demand for stability at any cost could lead to the rise of a militaristic dictator promising jobs, security, and self-respect by refusing to pay tribute to foreign oppressors. Our natural revulsion at the way the Jews were made to pay many of the costs through their demonization as internal "traitors" has tended to obscure for us the initially much more powerful political rhetoric trained on the reparations issues. But as the reparations issue faded and the persecution of the Jews came to the forefront, let me note an analogy: their _official_ characterization as alien beings, who deny any loyalty to the state and cheat the government and true citizens through their unfair and and illegal business practices, sounds way too close for my comfort to the way the Turks, the Iraqis, and the Iranians characterize their Kurdish populations.

The same greed at Versailles led to the deliberate attempt to impoverish the masses of people in the Middle East by separating them from the masses of known oil, as I've noted before. The continued hostility between the Kurds and the politicians of the countries they were arbitrarily placed in is yet one more of the current turmoils in those countries for which we can thank our own political ancestors for helping to create.

--Norm