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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill who wrote (15317)	11/19/1998 9:13:00 PM
From: sea_biscuit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Heh heh. The people have always felt that the best way to handle this is to conduct court cases after the President completes his term. Now, if this thing drags along, they will blame the Republicans, and not the Democrats (I would have thought that this was obvious, but I was wrong! ;-) ). Actually, I now want this to drag along as much as possible, so that the Republicans will be hoisted by their own petard later! ("Gee, we told you not to let 'em ants over yourselves. Now look what you have done to your own a**es! Hmmmmppphh... hahahahahahaha!) Dipy.

To: Bill who wrote (15317)	11/19/1998 9:47:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

>I am guided by the moderately liberal Democratic Senator from New York, Daniel Patrick Moynihan. He states that "Perjury is an impeachable offense." < The problem here is that the determination depends upon the principle of honor. Moynihan, despite some of his what to me are less appealing positions, is apparently in possession of at least a partial sense of fundamental decency. It is a sense informing him that regardless of the matter at hand, once the law turns its attention upon a citizen, that citizen is bound as by a solemn tenet of religion to be faithful to the whole truth. The matter about which a citizen is questioned becomes instantly one of vast import simply because the Law thought it worthy of Its attention, and as such those who are demanded by law to tell the truth must do so faithfully. Should they not be faithful here, they should not have authority to lead the courts, certainly not lead the nation. Moynihan apparently holds to this principle. Unfortunately his Democrat colleagues as well as 65% of Americans do not. So then while perjury is impeachable by this principle, since Americans have discarded the principle, dishonor become permissible, including sucking the brains from a full term child or following a man who repeatedly lies to his country and his country's judicial system. >You see, Dipy has it all wrong. If the hard core dems want to play these games, it will be ultimately bad for dems.< Ultimately it will be bad for all of us. These circumstances with Clinton are merely symptomatic of our nation's sickness. When a flagrant and repeated liar can claim without much challenge to represent a country of millions, and when that country of millions knows his deceptive nature and yet elects him anyway, then that country merely implies that it does not have a moral rudder to steer it clear of liars and cheats. It perhaps even suggests that it itself consists mainly of flagrant and repeated liars. Perhaps we have always been a country of liars, but it seems now we have finally come to openly admitting the fact to ourselves, discarding the principle and once laudable goal of honor. The games the Dems play will ultimately result in misfortune for us all. >It is time to figure out how to handle this law breaking president and come to some constitutional resolution, regardless of the political consequences.< (grin) Dear sir. You delight me with this principled talk, but you are in a sea of unprincipled individuals. We live in a time where the mayor of our nation's capitol can be caught on film smoking crack cocaine, then claim he was "set up" by his enemies, and then reign once again as mayor. We live in a time when a president can lie flagrantly and repeatedly to his country and to his country's courts, claim he was attacked by his enemies, then enjoy an increase in approval ratings. We are an increasingly unprincipled nation and so I hardly think we have much to stand upon in trying to figure out how to handle this law breaking President. Moral principle would instantly have informed us the way in which we should have traveled.