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To: Ditchdigger who wrote (10236)	11/20/1998 7:07:00 AM
From: slaffe	Respond to of 44908

ditchdigger, I must say you sure provide some hard hitting DD. IMHO, it's good to have you on board. Let's get the answers! Hopefully they will be good answers. Can hardly wait for the S-8. When it comes I'm sure that it will be scrutinized to death and that is what this forum is all about. The sharing of information. Certainly hope that your name doesn't mean that your intention is to bury us <vbg> One of the things I like about tsig is the fact that I believe RG to be a straight shooter, I don't feel lied to by him and he has my confidence. Albeit I think that at times he may be over enthusiastic and may think he can do things faster than reality dictates. He has certainly delivered this fall on his promises. I also think that RG is human. This is not his first venture, and he has made mistakes in the past. Hopefully he has as I think he has learned from his mistakes and will not repeat them. I wonder if this floorless debenture issue that you bring up is not what the Robert Gordon vs Felcrest suit was all about. If so (as I suspect it was) then I am confidant that RG would not have made the same mistake again. Particulary so soon after the felcrest suit. Btw, I wonder if this pp was delayed for just this very reason. We all heard about this pp, what 2 months ago? We were all wondering why no pr was it vapor pp etc? Perhaps RG delayed it to be sure that it was done right. Remember RG has a much greater stake in this than any one of us. Of course we won't know until the S-8 comes out but when it does, I'm sure you will enlighten us. Sincerely slaffe

To: Ditchdigger who wrote (10236)	11/20/1998 7:30:00 PM
From: TOPFUEL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 44908

<i/>"How soon after a Form 144 is filed are the shares actually sold? Technically, a Form 144 only indicates that the holder of restricted securities is now able to sell them. There is nothing about the Form that forces a sale. In practice, however, the Form is just another annoying piece of paperwork, and insiders don't file it until they need to. The shares indicated on a Form 144 are usually sold soon after it is filed. If the holder of the restricted shares is an insider (which is not always the case), you will likely see a Form 4 sale in short order." (Faq-from the insider site I posted) lets take a look here TSIG insider trades all planned sales not on plan 144 executed to date and they date back to dec 1997 biz.yahoo.com These people had a few times they could have jumped ship at .50 or more so IMHO there waiting for bigger brighter days like we TSIG longs are waiting for Date Name Action Shares Type Price Value 6-Nov-98 CURCIO BRENDEN R Planned Sale (144) 13,313 Common $2,929 15-Oct-98 GORDON MICHAEL J Planned Sale (144) 123,333 Common $21,583 23-Sep-98 CURCIO RICHARD F Planned Sale (144) 13,313 Common $4,900 25-Aug-98 MULLER JOYCE ESTATE Planned Sale (144) 10,650 Common $3,195 12-Aug-98 STEPHENSON JAMES O Planned Sale (144) 5,000 Common $1,700 11-Aug-98 BREWER JOHN F & MARY E Planned Sale (144)20,000Common$7,000 28-Jul-98 CURCIO BRENDEN R Planned Sale (144) 13,313 Common $5,059 20-Jul-96 AVILA JOSEPH Planned Sale (144) 160,000 Common $6,080 17-Jul-98 MORSE LESTER Planned Sale (144) 58,875 Common $30,000 17-Jul-98 MORSE STEVEN Planned Sale (144) 58,875 Common $30,000 1-Jul-98 GORDON MICHAEL J Planned Sale (144) 127,683 Common $51,712 1-Jul-98 BOSS JOSEPH Planned Sale (144) 10,000 Common $4,000 3-Jun-98 PARISI LEO Planned Sale (144) 266,000 Common $99,750 18-May-98 AVILA JOSEPH M Planned Sale (144) 266,000 Common $138,320 15-Apr-98 TELESE ANGELO Planned Sale (144) 10,650 Common $2,700 9-Apr-98 BALL WOODWARD & CORINN Planned Sale (144)13,313 Common$3,500 31-Mar-98 PARISI LEO Planned Sale (144) 160,000 Common $56,000 1-Mar-98 BOSS JOSEPH Planned Sale (144) 10,000 Common $4,000 26-Feb-98 GORDON MICHAEL J Planned Sale (144) 33,333 Common $12,000 17-Feb-98 GORDON JAMES Planned Sale (144) 40,000 Common $10,000 17-Feb-98 AVILA JOSEPH M Planned Sale (144) 160,000 Common $6,080 30-Jan-98 GORDON JAMES Planned Sale (144) 60,000 Common $13,800 22-Jan-98 GERVAIT ANNA Planned Sale (144) 106,500 Common $27,690 29-Dec-97 BREWER JOHN F & MARY E Planned Sale (144) 20,000 Common $7,400 23-Dec-97 BINAU BRIAN M Planned Sale (144) 26,625 Common $10,600 16-Dec-97 ROSENBAUN JOSEPH Planned Sale (144) 13,313 Common $9,000 16-Dec-97 KHOURY KAMIL Planned Sale (144) 26,625 Common $18,000 11-Dec-97 GORDON MICHAEL J Planned Sale (144) 161,016 Common$161,016 11-Dec-97 PARISI LEO Planned Sale (144) 277,440 Common$277,440 11-Dec-97 AVILA JOSEPH M Planned Sale (144) 277,440 Common$277,440 10-Dec-97 KHOVEY ANTOINE Planned Sale (144) 13,313 Common $9,000 now lets look at KTEL planned 144 sales biz.yahoo.com Date Name Action Shares Type Price Value 2-Nov-98 LAWRENCE KIEVES Initial Filing 0 Common - - 10-Jun-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 5,000 Common - $61,570 9-Jun-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 220,500 (i) Common 10.95 - 11.61 $2,505,505 9-Jun-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 130,000 Common - $2,254,984 8-Jun-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 172,500 (i) Common 12.27 - 12.51 $2,128,455 8-Jun-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 200,000 Common - $2,477,020 5-Jun-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 52,000 (i) Common 13.02 $677,040 5-Jun-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 44,500 Common - $580,351 3-Jun-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 5,500 (i) Common 15.00 - 15.25 $83,250 2-Jun-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 155,900 (i) Common 15.00 - 15.19 $2,351,021 1-Jun-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 132,200 (i) Common 15.18 - 15.31 $2,016,655 1-Jun-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 120,000 Common - $1,800,000 29-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 274,700 Common 15.57 - 18.25 $4,450,028 29-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 175,000 Common - $2,836,651 28-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 220,200 Common 15.38 - 18.21 $3,664,642 28-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 106,000 Common - $1,861,856 27-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 248,000 Common 15.21 - 18.88 $3,940,640 27-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 300,000 Common - $4,600,808 26-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 61,000 Common 18.31 - 23.13 $1,204,530 26-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 80,000 Common - $1,460,367 26-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 22,000 Common 22.51 - 22.93 $503,620 22-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 30,000 Common 21.00 - 22.53 $660,600 22-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 30,000 Common - $633,250 21-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 115,000 Common 22.29 - 25.56 $2,591,770 21-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 80,000 Common - $1,796,561 21-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Planned Sale (144) 40,000 Common - $908,814 20-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 50,000 Common 23.60 - 24.06 $1,190,580 20-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Planned Sale (144) 60,000 Common - $1,425,072 19-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 300,000 Common 25.03 - 26.01 $7,641,550 19-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 206,000 Common - $5,249,024 15-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 130,000 Common 20.21 - 25.88 $3,192,350 15-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 200,000 Common - $5,106,554 14-May-98 SCHEIMER LOUIS Planned Sale (144) 6,000 Common - $396,000 13-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 15,000 Common 30.29 $454,350 13-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 45,000 Common - $1,357,869 13-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 34,000 Common 30.38 - 30.75 $1,037,940 13-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Planned Sale (144) 34,000 Common - $1,035,769 11-May-98 KIVES PHILIP Sold (S) 90,000 Common 32.22 - 33.31 $2,953,200 11-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 50,000 Common - $1,631,002 11-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 40,000 Common 31.65 - 33.15 $1,304,860 8-May-98 SCHEIMER LOUIS Sold (S) 12,000 Common 31.78 - 32.65 $385,540 8-May-98 KOBLICK LINDA L Planned Sale (144) 295 Common - $18,000 8-May-98 FISCHER COREY Sold (S) 6,000 Common 30.97 - 34.25 $195,660 8-May-98 FISCHER COREY Exercised (M) 6,000 Common 3.06 - 8-May-98 FISCHER COREY Planned Sale (144) 3,000 Common - $196,373 8-May-98 K 5 LEISURE PRODUCTS Planned Sale (144) 20,000 Common - $1,319,082 8-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 226,000 Common 30.97 - 32.98 $7,315,420 8-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Exercised (M) 400,000 Common 2.00 - 8-May-98 WEINER DAVID B Planned Sale (144) 113,000 Common - $7,308,149 8-May-98 DIXON MARK J Planned Sale (144) 13,000 Common - $853,681 8-May-98 KOBLICK JEFFREY M Sold (S) 128,978 Common 31.95 - 33.94 $4,157,047 8-May-98 KOBLICK JEFFREY M Exercised (M) 56,800 Common .75 - 3.38 - 8-May-98 KOBLICK JEFFREY M Planned Sale (144) 69,489 Common - $4,300,000 1-May-98 KOBLICK JEFFREY M Sold (S) 10,000 Common 33.50 $335,000 4-Mar-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 7,000 Common 7.63 $53,410 19-Feb-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 3,000 Common 7.38 $22,140 18-Feb-98 WEINER DAVID B Sold (S) 6,000 Common 7.38 $44,280 You tell me what stock has people unloading