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To: Time Traveler who wrote (41970)	11/20/1998 9:32:00 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 1572637

Despite your troubles it looks like another strong opening for AMD again today. Jim

To: Time Traveler who wrote (41970)	11/20/1998 9:52:00 AM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Respond to of 1572637

Re: "Without the GTL bus found in Slot-I, Socket-7 would have a lot of trouble to run at 100MHz." My FIC 503+ (VIA MVP3 chipset) runs at 124(!), 112, 100 MHz just fine. You're probably making some sort of beginner mistake with your bios settings. Fiddle around with the way your chipset handles L2 and SDRAM, and you'll probably get it to work. By the way, you may need to get a patch from Ali to get your AGP card to work properly. I'm not sure about this, but it might be something to look into. Kevin

To: Time Traveler who wrote (41970)	11/20/1998 10:18:00 AM
From: Michael DaKota	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572637

What AGP card do you own ?? What memory ? I know there are some problems with G200, and occasionally I760 cards. Furthermore i dont understand why it doesn't work well, because all ali mobo's i have layed my hands on or heard from worked more than fine with 100 MHz. (2/3 agp clock). Maybe you should try some other memory , try some other combinations in your dimm sockets, update your bios, try putting some nifty switch sigh on 2/3 agp clock, update your video card drivers, try other agp video card etc etc . Btw, your asus sets agp clock to 2/3 automaticly, i recall, so your agp card did not run at 112 but at 112 /3 * 2 = 74,7 MHz . And if your ali needs some jumper or bios setting to enable 2/3d agp clock, you might notice that it runs fine at 100. FHWL, Michael Da Kota

To: Time Traveler who wrote (41970)	11/20/1998 10:24:00 AM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572637

<What a piece of crap this ALi chipset is.> Could be a little tough for their silicon technology to handle 100MHz... Could be also a mindless tracing on the board (clear indication that you are a novice in the field is that you do not mention the board's manufacturer)... Could be also also a poor secondary power supply for Vcc2 (hey, you used to be an expert in this field in another time foil). Could be outdated BIOS that does not configure properly the bridge...(ALi chip requires some fine internal readjustments to run at 95 and above). <This AGP card ran fine at 112MHz for a month or two in a P-II/Asus system.> No surprise. It may run fine even for much longer time in that proprietary tuned combination from the same vendor:) <AMD needs to do something about this FSB stuff soon.> To my knowledge, AMD has no control over "swap meet engineering", especially in your area. <When consumers are wise enough..> they buy brand name computers where qualified engineers take care of SYSTEM INTEGRATION and ENGINEERING. <Since the system failed to run at even 95MHz, am I observing the FSB speed limit of Socket-7?> No, you are observing limits of your education. Disclaimer: the tone of this post was solely inspired by the overall negative spirit of John Wang "the Time Traveler" posts on this thread in the past.