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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (2223)11/20/1998 3:20:00 PM
From: Mike M2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81019
 
Jim, " El Toro" great response with respect to Clinton. Mike



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (2223)11/20/1998 4:17:00 PM
From: Ahda  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81019
 
Jim that is the most astute statement thank you It is a legal issue it is not the act.



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (2223)11/21/1998 9:44:00 AM
From: sea_urchin  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 81019
 
Jim : For obvious reasons, I don't want to get embroiled in the Clinton issue but I would like to reply to the rhetorical question which you have posed : "If we let them off the hook, what does that say to the next generation that will have learned that it's OK to lie under oath...lie your way to the top."

Firstly, I'd like to say, only in America, could the State leader be removed for apparently lying about his private (or public) sex (or whatever) life. In other countries, such an exposé would never have been allowed to arise. Therefore, how the American people chose to embarrass or humiliate themselves, and their leader, is actually a matter of international amusement. Perhaps shock. There is certainly no moral outrage or legal lesson to be learned here other than, perhaps, the Eleventh Commandment --- Thou shalt not be found out!

Secondly, if there is a moral or legal lesson to be learned, I would like to make the analogy to how one trains a puppy when it messes on the carpet. One is supposed to, as soon as possible after it does it, rub it's nose in the mess. In the Clinton situation what is seen to be happening is that the lesson teachers are covering themselves in the dog's mess in their attempt to shovel it into the dog's kennel so as to to make as much trouble for the dog as possible. The dog meanwhile, wagging its tail, is no longer in the kennel!

Clearly, there can be no impeachment because the Republicans don't have the head-count in the Senate, or wherever, to do it. They can't fine him -- that's absurd. If there was perjury, then Paula Jones' judge should have charged him. The rest is nonsense. What has happened, and is continuing to happen, is that the Presidency has been besmirched and, apparently, no-one knows what to do about it --- or cares. All that is wanted is Slick's blood. Vengeance.

"Humpty Dumpty has had a big fall and all Ken Starr's prosecutors and Republican Congressmen cannot put it together again". Even if they hang Slick, which they can't.

Unfortunately in the US, possibly because there are more lawyers than people, the law has been elevated to the status of a religion. In this instance, however, the law has become a Frankenstein and is smashing up its makers. Damage control and learning how to walk away from an irremediable and humiliating debacle would, IMO, be a far more valuable lesson for the world to have learned --- including the US.