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To: Ramus who wrote (18632)	11/20/1998 2:57:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

dailynews.yahoo.com Eudora Pro in the news, but not good. One thing it shows is that a LOT of people want to use anything but Microsoft in the interests of maintaining competition. Or maybe they just like what they are used to. In case the news url is cancelled, the correspondent downloaded Eudora Pro 4.1, which didn't work and knocked out his computer, requiring reinstallation of Windows. Also, Eudora's download time was lengthy. The main comment is that companies should ensure things work properly and if Microsoft software was essential, it should not be an option for the person to click 'carry on regardless'. I remain a Eudora Pro 4.0 fan club member and hope QUALCOMM treats Eudora as an advertising, Web linking, customer relations, competitive positioning, promotional, if not profit making from sales, useful addition to the portfolio of products and services. If they can't put enough software engineers on it to make it popular, open it up to the public to develop using Microsoft's embrace and extend philosophy. Mqurice *OT* Walt, I guess the Vincennes did just like the Russians = assume a threat and as you put it, 'take out the threat', which means the USA has the same moral attributes of the Russians = military interest comes first and any civilians getting in the way will be killed. There was no warning to the civilian aircraft to turn right or left or do something to avoid being attacked. There was no pattern of logical thinking along the lines of thinking "Hmmm, subsonic, taking off from a runway, looking like a duck, quacking like a duck, waddling like a duck, flying like a duck = might just be a duck! Hey, let's ask it if is a duck and tell it to go fly somewhere else." Yes, I know there was some low level military activity at the time. The sky was not full of enemy aircraft - the only one shot down was the duck. I'm happy for the military to shoot anything that moves on the basis that it just might possibly be a slow-moving heavily disguised threat, but they should not pretend to any moral superiority over the Russians, who at least took the trouble to warn the trespassing 747 to obey orders - declined. There seems a better case to shoot down the defiant, criminally trespassing 747 than an innocent duck dumbly taking off with transponder, air traffic approval and everything normal. Okay, so the Vincennes can claim incompetence and fear as a defence. Doesn't sound like Westpoint to me. Mqurice

To: Ramus who wrote (18632)	11/21/1998 12:46:00 PM
From: Dave	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

W. Houston: You state a few truths, however one of the reasons why the Vincennes shot down the Iranian Civilian Jet liner was due to the "sophisticated" AEGIS radar system within the ship. I remember reading that there was confusion about that Iranian Jet and some Iranian Fighter nearby. here's a link: arabmedia.com Five months before Pan Am Flight 103 crashed in a fiery explosion, gunmen on the USS Vincennes, ostensibly patrolling international waters off the coast of Iran, fired upon Iranian Airbus A300, destroying the commercial civilian aircraft and killing all 290 people on board. The ship's commander claimed his crew "mistook" the giant commercial Boeing 747 plane for a much smaller, military F-14 fighter jet. A hastily arranged investigation by the United States, blamed one "operations officer," and issued the lowest possible punishment, a letter of reprimand placed in the unknown officer's personnel file. inally, in 1992, evidence surfaced that in fact, the commercial Iranian airline had been on course and was in Iranian air space. It was the USS Vincennes that had been off course by more than 20 miles. dave

To: Ramus who wrote (18632)	11/24/1998 9:29:00 PM
From: Asterisk	Respond to of 152472

As I remember it (as an American from American media) the Jetliner was told repeatedly to turn away or change course and it never answered any of the hails from the ship. I also remember that the IFF was either not working or was registering something funky. Many times the airfields in underdeveloped countries are used for both military and civilian traffic, often at the same time. And as I remember it the Vincennes was in a heated battle not but a little while before with a PT type boat (small boat with a few people and a big gun.) Just remember that this was all filtered through the American media and I really didn't give a hoot at the time. BTW: Anyone remember that the captains van (the captain of the Vincennes) was blown up in broad daylight at a crowded intersection a little while later?