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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (18657)11/20/1998 6:11:00 PM
From: Michael Young  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 152472
 
I wish my shares of this pig would perform half as well as my NOK.A options. Looks like I've broken the cardinal rule of only buying the winners and avoiding the laggards.

MIKE



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (18657)11/20/1998 6:28:00 PM
From: Joe NYC  Respond to of 152472
 
Maurice,

OT

So you just kind of connected all the innuendo spread by the Soviet propaganda machine at the time, and concluded that KAL 007 was on a military mission.

Why not? Why wouldn't the US do it? After all, aren't the US generals are the same as the Russian generals, the US politicians same and the Russian ones.

And as a "sophisticated" person, you just dismiss both sides. They are after all just 2 competing forces, of the same character, with the same motivations. You are way above all of it.

Joe

PS: Another tidbit of information that may come handy in Persian gulf incident is that a long before the war, when the US was protecting the oil shipments in Persian gulf a friendly (at the time) Iraqi plane just flew by, launched a missile and hit a US warship, and there was a loss of human life at that time (I believe). It was classified as an accident.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (18657)11/21/1998 3:16:00 AM
From: Ramus  Respond to of 152472
 
Mqurice,

Scenario to fit facts of KAL007 aircrew...they were asleep. Check it out...happens all the time all over the world. I personally think they had nav computer programming problems but we may never know.... Vincennes, lets see, military in the middle of operation "praying mantis" as a result of U.S.S. Samuel B. Morris being struck by Iranian mine. During this two day operation naval and marine forces destroyed two oil platforms being used by Iran to coordinate attacks on merchant shipping, sank or destroyed three Iranian warships and neutralized at least six Iranian speedboats. The Vincennes was part of all this and had been fired upon. They had every reason to believe that they were in a hot war zone. The aircraft that flew toward them that day had all the signs of a civilian surely....except for one thing.....it was flying directly toward the ship. Under the circumstances it could only be classified as a military aircraft and a threat. Rules of engagement told them to kill it or be killed. They only had seven minutes to decide...no time for warnings or other tomfoolery.
You might enjoy reading "Storm Center The U.S.S. Vincennes and Iran Air Flight 655" by Will and Sharon Rogers. Will Rogers was the captain of the Vincennes at the time of the shootdown. The book is ISBN 1-55750-727-9.
The Soviets have been shooting down spy flights for decades. I guess it was only a matter of time before a malfunctioning aircraft/aircrew and the Soviet missle happy policy met up face to face. We shouldn't be surprised though, after all....it's what they do.
So were the Soviets morally bankrupt for shooting down spy planes and mistaken civilian airliners.....yep! Was the crew of the Vincennes morally bankrupt for shooting the airliner...nope. It was a tragic mistake. Were they stupid? I don't know...but I don't think so...maybe reading Will Rogers book will help. Afterall, he was there and I wasn't.

Best Regards

Walt.