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To: Frank A. Coluccio who wrote (114)	11/21/1998 3:32:00 PM
From: ahhaha	Respond to of 626

About Juniper and Avici I started reading about them and when I got to the "end to end", it was what suggested the "mule train". I don't see why guys think SR is so absurd, yet they buy the practicality of that. It is the advent of such juggernaut solutions to a rising problem that alert you to the end of the technology. It is all linear extrapolation rather than creative innovation trying to solve a problem that is growing non-linearly. I'd like to know how they intend to standardize their flows or get the switch or router manufacturers to cooperate with compatible devices.

To: Frank A. Coluccio who wrote (114)	11/21/1998 9:50:00 PM
From: MangoBoy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 626

<< While we're on the subject of Juniper and Avici, are you aware of any progress being made in the way of betas or actual deployments? >> All I know is what I read in the media: QWST was doing something w/ Juniper early on but nothing came of it; later QWST started using Avici stuff in beta, but i've heard no further word. QWST/Anschutz seem to have no ties to the third horse, Nexabit. (There are others out there like Pluris and NetCore that I'm less familiar with.) I joked a while back that these start-ups seem to come in three's: one for LU to buy, one for CSCO, and one for NT. Oops, need one for Alcatel too.