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To: Jamey who wrote (22377)	11/22/1998 10:38:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

"Sam, please seek enlightenment on the issue of grace before you speak on it." Good advice for Sam, but even better for you.

To: Jamey who wrote (22377)	11/22/1998 11:23:00 PM
From: Sam Ferguson	Respond to of 39621

No time to answer tonite but check back tomorrow for my thoughts on grace and desire in connection with works. Grace is very easily painted with a roller instead of a narrow brush.

To: Jamey who wrote (22377)	11/23/1998 6:54:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Respond to of 39621

Santiago I know a lot of your concepts and think understand your positions. My concept of God was ingrained from birth as a person and no real understanding of the word God except as taught. When Christos was revealed in me I learned the creator was a spirit that was the real life and Sam was an animal of matter. I was made aware of my duality as described by Paul. Sam existed only as Adam (made of earths elements) and the inner man which was described by Paul as the "LORD from heaven." I cannot put in words the spiritual truths revealed but can only aver that humans, as all in nature, are governed by natural law and have a rebirth in a physical body until the entity is raised from the lower vibration of matter to the highest vibration of God. I have never been "lost" and never needed to be saved. The brainwashing of early church teaching and Ego of Sam had created my life at this stage and made one big mess of it. My work required to rid both these beyond all creeping was also a duality. Seeking truth by fact has over a period of time eliminated much of the teaching and replaced with truth. Ridding the mind of Ego (thinking of things thru animal mind)and making mind only Christos with Sam sacrificed in the cross of matter is the "work" I still have to accomplish to have the mind of Christ. Paul also tells you that "you will have the mind of Christ." I do not expect this clarified or changed your opinion. It is my inefficent attempt to explain the unexplainable. It is just my view of the reason grace requires the debt of work to earn the paycheck of perfection. My concept of the word Ego as used does not have the usual meaning of Egotistical as most see it. Semantics are my biggest problem in communicating my thoughts. Sam is very lacking in descriptive words. Santiago stick to your perception of truth and never release it to another unless you come into a higher understanding. I have no desire to infiltrate you with mine. I only ask that you investigate fact and reason to expand truth as you know it. We all travel differing paths to perfection but God never leaves us when we stumble. It is up to us how soon we can complete the course. It cannot be acccomplished in one life on earth. With the open mind you display I am reasonably sure you are running like a pro. ggg