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To: Darrin Vernier who wrote (22450)11/23/1998 4:51:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
"I don't believe in original sin."

Of course not. Neither do you believe that Satan exists, or that divine and eternal Christ took on human flesh and became a God-man, or that Jesus was correct when he said that he was the way, the truth and the light. You also deny Jesus's words when he said that the road to heaven is narrow and few that find it.
You believe only what the "christ in you" tells you. Who is that "christ in you" that tells you all these falsehoods? Is he the eternal Son of God who is equally divine with his father? Is he the Son of Mary the virgin wife of Josepah?
Is he the God of Abrham, Isaac and Jacob? No, he is none of these.
The"christ within you" is satan. You have been deceived. You have created your own religion and Satan has accomodated you by filling you with his nonexitent self.

Emile



To: Darrin Vernier who wrote (22450)11/23/1998 5:11:00 PM
From: David fisk  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
You said, 'The Bible says that Jesus himself was born after Adam and Eve, and he was without sin. This was a correction of a previous misunderstanding.'

True Jesus was born without sin and was the perfect sacrifice. The reason He had no sin was because The Holy Spirit caused Mary's pregnancy.

"This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit." (Mat 1:18 NIV). Jesus has made things very easy for us to get the truth, no works of righteousness, no money, no powerful positions, etc., simply pray, read The Bible, let the Holy spirit teach us, and believe it.

"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." (John 14:26 NIV)

Darrin, if you don't believe in original sin, you don't believe part of the Bible, and you disagree with King David and God.. Here are several translations.

"For I was born a sinner-- yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NLT)

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NIV)

"Behold, I was shapen[1] in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive[2] me." (Psa 51:5 KJV)

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NKJV)

"Indeed, I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NRSV)

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NASB)

HERE IS THE HEBREW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.
hen:H2005 . . chuwl:H2342 . 'avon:H5771 . . chet':H2399 . . 'em:H517 yacham:H3179 . (Psa 51:5 HG)

2005. hen, hane; a prim. particle; lo!; also (as expressing surprise) if:--behold, if, lo, though.
2342. chuwl, khool; or chiyl, kheel; a prim. root; prop. to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), i.e. (spec.) to dance, to writhe in pain (espec. of parturition) or fear; fig. to wait, to pervert:--bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
5771. 'avon, aw-vone'; or 'avown (H2 Kings 7 : 9; Psa. 51 : 5 [H7]), aw-vone'; from H5753; perversity, i.e. (moral) evil:--fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin.
2399. chet', khate; from H2398; a crime or its penalty:--fault, X grievously, offence, (punishment of) sin.
517. 'em, ame; a prim. word; a mother (as the bond of the family); in a wide sense (both lit. and fig.) [like H1]:--dam, mother, X parting.
3179. yacham, yaw-kham'; a prim. root; prob. to be hot; fig. to conceive:--get heat, be hot, conceive, be warm.

David