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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (22486)	11/23/1998 9:54:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"The Jews just want someplace where they can be safe from being murdered. What's so bad about that? Why should they give a mortal enemy a "homeland" on their own borders? Does that make a lick of sense? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Bob" Do the Palestinian Christians and Moslems who have lived in Jerusalem and Palestine for 2000 years have any rights in your twisted Zionist logic? Are the Palestinian Christians spiritual Jews and heirs to the promises of Abraham, or have you now thrown out the Bible? You have simply sided with the antichrist Zionist against the Christian Palestinians. You have simply canceled the legitimate deed to the promises of ABraham and delivered them to the enemies of Christ. Do you think that the Palestinians should have a right not to be murdered by the Zionist? For the last 50 years, the Zionist have committed hundred times more atrocities against the Palestinians Moslems and Christians than they have committed aganst the Zionist. Your sympathies are guided by your false Zionist theology. Since you have erroneously identified the modern antichrist Judaism as the heirs of Abraham, you think it is ok for them to murder and disposses the land of Christians and mostles--afater all they are the choosen of god. Your views are not Christian views but the bloodthirsty views of a zealous Zionist or a flag waving John Bircher.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (22486)	11/24/1998 12:10:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

Dayan reveals regrets over Golan, Hebron in newly disclosed interview May 11, 1997 JERUSALEM (AP) -- Discounting claims of the Golan Heights' strategic value, war hero Moshe Dayan once told a reporter that Israel took the plateau from Syria simply because Israelis wanted it for farmland. Dayan ranked his 1967 decisions to capture the Golan and allow Jews to return to Hebron as his two greatest mistakes as defense minister, the legendary Israeli general said in a newly disclosed interview given in 1976, five years before his death. "In two cases I did not fulfill my role as defense minister, in that I did not stop things that I was sure should have been stopped,'' Dayan told reporter Rami Tal. Tal told The Associated Press that Dayan had made him promise not to publish his remarks, apparently because Dayan planned to write his own memoirs -- which he never did. Tal kept his notes on the interview secret until recently, when a friend persuaded him to publish them in the Yediot Ahronot newspaper this month. To this day, Israeli settlement in war-won Hebron and the Golan remains one of the most divisive issues between Israel and the Syrians and Palestinians. Israeli leaders have consistently said the Golan is too important to Israel's defense to return. Until Israel captured the plateau in the 1967 Mideast War, Syria often shelled Israeli border communities from its vantage point on the Golan. According to Dayan, Israel deliberately provoked the shootings as a pretext to attack. "We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot,'' Dayan said. "If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further,'' he said. Dayan said pressure from Israel's kibbutzim, or farming communities, led to the land grab. "Along the Syria border there were no farms and no refugee camps -- there was only the Syrian army,'' he said. "The kibbutzim saw the good agricultural land ... and they dreamed about it.'' Amos Eran, a government official at the time of the war, said Dayan's regret came from the fact that he wanted the heights only as a bargaining chip. "Dayan didn't want the government to allow the kibbutzim to build there afterwards -- he hoped to trade it back for peace,'' Eran said. About 13,000 Israelis live on the Golan today, mostly in farming communities. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu insists Israel must maintain control over the entire plateau. Israel captured the West Bank city of Hebron from Jordan in the same war in which it took the Golan. Dayan said he granted permission to settler leader Moshe Levinger to enter Hebron on the condition that the American-born rabbi and his family would stay only for the weeklong Jewish holiday of Passover. Levinger never left Hebron, and became the father of the Jewish settler movement that today includes 144,000 Israelis living throughout the West Bank. Dayan's daughter, Yael Dayan, verified her father's remarks to Tal. She told the AP that Dayan seemed to regret the handling of Hebron the most. "He jumped to the sky with anger about Hebron and the provocation of Levinger that has become such a tragedy,'' she said. After years of clashes over Hebron, Israeli troops withdrew from most of the city last year, following peace accords reached by previous Israeli governments and the Palestinians. Tal said about 60 percent of the material from his interview with Dayan was still unpublished, because he considers most of it too personal -- such as remarks on the women in Dayan's life. He said he didn't believe his revelations would immediately affect Israel-Syrian relations -- frozen since last year -- but said they cleared up misconceptions about the fateful 1967 war. "It will give people here a more realistic overview: The Golan Heights are not something sacred and the man most closely associated with conquering the heights himself was reticent about doing so,'' he said. "We are not always the victims. There is a myth of peaceful farmers being shot at by Syrians -- the truth is more ambiguous.''

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (22486)	11/25/1998 10:04:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

Bob, I think that the words of this holy Christian saint may help you better understand the historical Christian view of bible prophecy in relationship to the modern Jews. The author lived in Egypt in the 300s. St. Athanasius was used by God to defeat the Arian heresy that denied the divinty of Christ. He was known for his profound spirituality. Athanasius (345) "So the Jews are indulging in fiction, and transferring present time to future. When did prophet and vision cease from Israel? Was it not when Christ came, the Holy One of holies? It is, in fact, a sign and notable proof of the coming of the Word that Jerusalem no longer stands, neither is prophet raised up nor vision revealed among them. And it is natural that it should be so, for when He that was signified had come, what need was there any longer of any to signify Him? And when the Truth had come, what further need was there of the shadow? On His account only they prophesied continually, until such time as Essential Righteousness has come, Who was made the Ransom for the sins of all. For the same reason Jerusalem stood until the same time, in order that there men might premeditate the types before the Truth was known. So, of course, once the Holy One of holies had come, both vision and prophecy were sealed. And the kingdom of Jerusalem ceased at the same time, because kings were to be anointed among them only until the Holy of holies had been anointed. Moses also prophesies that the kingdom of the Jews shall stand until His time, saying, "A ruler shall not fail from Judah nor a prince from his loins, until the things laid up for him shall come and the Expectation of the nations Himself." And that is why the Savior Himself was always proclaiming "The law and the prophets prophesied until John." So if there is still king or prophet or vision among the Jews, they do well to deny that Christ is come; but if there is neither king nor vision, and since that time all prophecy has been sealed and city and temple taken, how can they be so irreligious, how can they so flaunt the facts, as to deny Christ Who has brought it all about?.. What more is there for their Expected One to do when he comes? To call the heathen? But they are called already. To put an end to prophet and king and vision? But this too has already happened. To expose the Goddenyingness of idols? It is already exposed and condemned. Or to destroy death? It is already destroyed. What then has not come to pass that the Christ must do? What is there left out or unfulfilled that the Jews should disbelieve so light-heartedly? The plain fact is, as I say, that there is no longer any king or prophet nor Jerusalem nor sacrifice nor vision among them; yet the whole earth is filled with the knowledge of God, and the Gentiles, forsaking atheism, are now taking refuge with the God of Abraham through the Word, our Lord Jesus Christ. (Incarnation, Ch. VI ) May the Lord give you and your family the fullness of his grace Emile