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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22585)	11/24/1998 9:11:00 PM
From: Darrin Vernier	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, You claim that a few passages which only you interpret as evil in the Talmud shame Zeev and all Jews, proving them to be deceitful enemies of Christ. And yet you yourself seem better than anyone at translating the Bible you believe in into a book empty of life, peace, and love. By your own logic, you have just disproved your own thesis. Peace, Darrin

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22585)	11/24/1998 10:24:00 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 39621

Emile, you are either ignorant or a demagogue, and quite probably both. How can anyone have "Din Torah" with Satan? It is a contradiction. As for blasphemy, by trying to dwell too much into the origins of Jesus conception, rather then accept your truth, which ever it maybe, since it most be based only on faith, after all, where you there at the moment of conception (to paraphrase the Almighty query to Job)? Therefore the manner of immaculate conception for you can and always be a matter of faith, if you try to rationalize it, you are already engaging in blasphemy. Others, that do not bear the faith you chose (if indeed it was of your own choosing), do not have to accept the concept of immaculate conception. There is no blasphemy in such doubts non Christians might have. Now, if your goal in life is to convert Non Christians to your own faith, you may find it necessary to rationalize immaculate conception, but you will be erring, your interlocutors must accept that divinity on faith and nothing else. You may want to burn them at the stake if they do not (of course as blasphemers, or witches or whichever), but if you have not mastered the art of instilling faith in others, except by repeating the mantra of saving their lost souls, you have not yourself accepted on faith alone the dogma that are at the base of your faith, thus, by not accepting such dogma , you are a blasphemer, whichever way you want to look at this theological situation. Did I ever call you or any other adherent to the Christian faith by derogatory names, questioning your intelligence, soundness of mind or moral character? No, I accept the fact that people may have faith in miracles they never witnessed, without such faith in any way hindering their mental and moral capabilities. The fact of the matter is that during the times Jesus walked the earth, and before that, there were quite a number of incidences of immaculate conception (real or faith based), and the Talmud you so enjoy in depicting as a blasphemous collection, describes a number of quite natural ways in which that can occur. This without having to resort to a story reminiscent of picturing the old Almighty as a Clinton in a closet. By insisting on your description (without the faith), you are putting your interlocutors in a position that will require them to seek impeachment of the Almighty. So, where is your faith, what horror stories can you tell about your childhood that have robbed you of your precious faith? Zeev