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To: O'Hara who wrote (1504)	11/25/1998 8:47:00 AM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 1542

shalom, Solomon the King said: "Ein Hadash Tahat Hashemesh", meaning there is nothing new under the sun. Right now, we are absorbed in this country with the question did Clinton lie under oath or not and it boils down to the definition of a "sexual relation". Clinton claims that all he had with Monica was "assisted masturbation", he feels that a sexual relation is consummated (just as a marriage is consummated) only if there was actual conjugation (going "all the way"). The question you raise now about Jesus is the same, it boils down to the definition of what is a "mamzer". Give me the definition prevailing during the the period of the second temple and compare it to the lore promulgated since then. As far as I know, Mary was married and her son was not her husband's seed. This is why I pointed to Emile that he has to have faith in his belief and not attempt to "prove" anything one way or another. Zeev