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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (15916)	11/27/1998 3:50:00 AM
From: Borzou Daragahi	Respond to of 67261

Your posts read like the shrill, "end is near" pamphlets the loonies--mostly Christian fundamentalists, but sometimes hardcore Maoists and Troskyists--try to hand me on the street. I politely accept the photocopied papers and throw them into the garbage can where they belong. BTW: An e-mail of that message to the SI authorities by any person who happens upon this thread will get you suspended from this board, Johannes. I suggest you watch your language. I laugh aloud whenever I read any of your diatribes against me and others on this board. They're truly entertaining. I think I'll gather some for a multimedia piece a friend in New York might put in a gallery there. What would you think of that, Johannes? Your words adorning the artwork of some leftist artist living in decadent New York. I "don't wallow in any filth." I wake up, go to work, I go to the gym, make dinner, I surf the Web, write a little, read a little, and go to sleep. I do not drink alcohol. I don't have a girlfriend, boyfriend, or spouse. If you had any idea how conventional, prudish, and healthy my lifestyle was, I would hope you would blush. I just happen to have a view of America that's not based on some 2000-year-old book. I also do not cling to the security of that book whenever I'm faced with a moral or ethical dilemma. Let me explain something simple to you: Just because I disagree with you and see the fascistic core obscured by your veil of sanctimony and self-righteousness does not mean that I engage in any particular kind of sex. I know it's hard for you to understand that. Try, Johannes. The juggernaut of cultural tolerance will continue, so I guess all will not be well in Zion. Better stock up on that ammo, much as it may pain you to waste it on the "depraved" "sodomites". The problem is, as time progresses, those who have moral soundness decrease, and therefore the few who are morally sound are rejected. The real problem is that truly moral, dignified and enlightened people keep decreasing in number because they are responsible enough to have only one or two kids, while ignorant bigots people breed like guppies.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (15916)	11/27/1998 4:55:00 AM
From: Borzou Daragahi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Ah, finally, a discussion about politics rather than personal hygiene and sodomy. Beautiful. I am no Republican, and I am no Democrat. Neither am I. Yet you have expressed support for the Republicans. These parties are nearly the same things. Finally something we agree upon. Bill Clinton has done a great deal to make you accept the very thing you fear. You cannot understand what I am about to say, and you will not believe it. But I will say it anyway. The man you fear will not come as you expect him to come. Like Clinton, this man will feel your pain all the while having pure contempt for you and your law. I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I'm reminded of an old song by the punk rock band, the Dead Kennedys, called, "California Ueber Alles," in which Jerry Brown becomes president and institutes a regime of Zen Fascism: "I am governor Jerry Brown. My aura smiles and never frowns...The hippies won't come back you say. Mellow out or you will pay...Now it is 1984. Knock-knock at your front door. It's the suede-denim secret police. They've come for your uncool niece." But I must tell you that I have very little respect for Bill Clinton, have never voted for him (couldn't bring myself to do it), and since a few weeks before the election became pretty much indifferent to the impeachment process. I hardly see the possibility that someone like Clinton could destroy American democracy by letting an intern play with his privates and then lying about it. If you want to save me and yourself, then champion integrity, be zealous for truth and justice, and do not compromise moral principle. As I've written to you before, I pursue such principles in my daily life and expect and encourage integrity, truth, and a respect of justice from and among those I am close to. But I simply do not have the pyramidal, organic view of the relationship between government and society that you and some of the others on this thread appear to have. I vehemently reject the view that the values of the president somehow trickle down into society. I think the values of the hardworking, ethically upstanding mainstream of this country far surpass those of the elitist clique which runs it. But Bill, though ethically handicapped, gets the job done. People voted for him essentially because he seemed like a young, smart, and energetic guy who would make the country run smoothly and bolster the economy. Everyone knew he was a philanderer and a liar and a hustler, but they voted for him anyway. Does that mean they approve of philandering, lying and hustling? Absolutely not. It means they are a pragmatic people. And given the choice between a couple of clueless, doddering fools (Bush and Dole) who hypocritically trumpeted their "characters" and a smart, can-do pimp with a head for numbers and public policy, they chose the latter. The idea that the president of the United States should be some paragon of virtue is as absurd as it as contradicted by historical reality. Maybe 100 years ago one could argue that the leader of the nation embodied the moral values and aspirations of its people. But the centers of power have become extremely dissipated and the presidency simply ain't what it used to be. People nowadays look to their priests, their parents, their coaches, their bosses, their friends, their community activists for leadership and moral principle. While it would be nice to have a president who abided by their moral principles, their first criteria is someone who can boost the economy and get the trash picked up on time. The presidency is not some American pontificate. Never has been.