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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22608)	11/25/1998 11:42:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Emile; Maybe the majority of Jews are blinded for a reason with regards to Yeshua I am sure you never considered that but it seems like you wish to dictate Gods plan....... If you think Jews bash Christians through history you my friend are in BIG DENIAL... Jews have been accused all through history from people like yourself thus Anti-Semitism using Jesus as a weapon to fit their sick purpose. Some say I have an obsession being Jewish you have an obsession on how Jews should conduct their lives and what land they should posses.... Your obsession is so rampant that you deem to call them satan worshippers, Christ killers, Nazi's on and on.. What Jew would even consider what you are saying if anything they would aggressively stay away from any of your beliefs since your character is built up on slime and condemnation. The book of authority is the Bible the Talmud is never going to be perfect since it was written by Man. It's not just the religion you hate it's their Culture as well. Believe me the TORAH IS MUCH MORE RESPECTED BY JEWS THAN THIS CRAP ABOUT THE TALMUD. The Torah to the Jews is Gods word not the TALMUD. Your focus is on something that holds no authority..... I can point out many flaws in your Christian Martyrs and their writings as well not to mention Church doctrine. Many hate groups accept Jesus even White Surpremist but that does not make them in line with what God wants and you are no exception....... You deem to be the accuser you deem to be the Judge so does satan. Jesus came to save the world satan came to destroy the world your words are filled with destruction not salvation. Your words are focused with regards to what Emile wants so he can feel better than his fellow man so that he can feel pure and the rest are like scum. Alan

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22608)	11/25/1998 12:19:00 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 39621

Emile, so what? Nevertheless, a rational person not so inclined to hate could construe those citations in quite a different light. But let us take these one by one: Sanhedrin, 67a -- Jesus referred to as the son of Pandira, a soldier This citation is pat of an argument trying to identify one named Yeshua (quite a common name at the time). Is there anything wrong in being the son of a soldier? Some of my best friends are. Kallah, 1b. (18b) -- Illegitimate and conceived during menstruation. Who, what? how can anyone be conceived during menstruation>? Sanhedrin, 67a -- Hanged on the eve of Passover. Toldath Jeschu. Birth related in most shameful expressions. Can you be specific? Abhodah Zarah II -- Referred to as the son of Pandira, a Roman soldier. Yes, there are some arguments in the talmud as to who fathered Jesus, or a person called Jeshua. Christians theological writings are full of such questions, and it comes back to your faith, you believe in divine conception, which is fine with me, but others do not have to. Schabbath XIV. Again referred to as the son of Pandira, the Roman. You start and think that maybe they know something you do not? Schabbath, 104b -- Called a fool and no one pays attention to fools. So were Elisha, Jeremiah and few hundred other real and false prophets, including Moses. Toldoth Jeschu. Judas and Jesus engaged in quarrel with filth. I do not remember any tractate of the Talmud named Toldot Jeshu. Not that I doubt that someone might have written that, but your source might be faulty. Orach Chaiim, 113 -- Avoid appearance of paying respect to Jesus. Not the Talmud either, but even if it was, why should Jew pay more respect to Jesus then to Mohamad or Budhah? A Jew has one and only one God. To a jew, any implication that there is a possible splitting of the deity into a trinity or other plurality of deities is one of the more severe blasphemies since it blatantly violate the first commandment. In order to make sure one does not violate the first commandment, a Jew make sure that he does not even approach the concept of deification of a "flesh and blood" (Basar Vadam) and does not accord deital respect to any but the ONE. Iore dea, 150,2 -- Do not appear to pay respect to Jesus by accident. Sqame as above. That does not means you should not respect Jesus, but why should you ask a Jew to violate the first commandment, and then burn in hell forever? Once again, Emile, I would like to know what travesty was visited upon you that causes you to be so overflowing with hate? Zeev ---------------