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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (69115)	11/25/1998 11:35:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

RE: clean this stuff out I've already got my garage full of old computers and I'm not about to load another IBM mainframe therein -- the 7094 and 360/91 are enough. I think computers are now classified as toxic waste. They will stay as long as maintenance costs less than disposal charges.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (69115)	11/25/1998 11:55:00 AM
From: John Koligman	Respond to of 186894

Hi Mary, The systems are complex, I spent 16 years working with large customers problems in JUST the I/O piece of MVS. The point is, MVS stays up and recovers very well. The other thing is, it takes lots of time and money to move those legacy apps, if they can be moved. I don't know about the totalitarianism Mary <ggg>. I do think it's amusing that in some respects computing is once again moving back to the IBM model, only now the internet is the database, with large servers holding the data! Best regards, John As for the managers, sure they don't have a clue as to the 'technical' aspects of certain problems, but you better believe they get daily reports on the 'uptime' of those systems, and many of them are partly compensated based on this uptime...