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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22639)	11/25/1998 9:12:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, Please re-read my post because I think you may have missed my point. I have no problem with the cross, only the way the Catholic church portrays Christ's upon it. I contend that while drawing his last breath his head was lifted up to heaven and in victory he cried out with a loud voice "Father into thy hands I commit my spirit". On the other hand I see the Catholic church comparable to the woman who wept while Jesus was being led to calgary. ....And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him. But Jesus turning unto them said, daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children... Luke 23. When I look at the stern warnings to the seven churches in mentioned in Revelations I can't don't see the Catholic church even measuring up to the worst of them. If they ever had a candle it went out ages ago and though some of the saved are still within her grasps its' only a remnant. Chris

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22639)	11/25/1998 10:41:00 PM
From: John S.	Respond to of 39621

Hello Emile and Chris, Re: the cross. No Christian should ever negate the power of the cross in remembrance of Christ's sacrifice upon it, distinguishable from looking at an actual physical cross as having any power. I see the value of remembering it in that it is an empty cross in that Christ is risen instead of continually being depicted as dying upon it. We are to spiritually take up our cross daily in service as instructed, but where we must in all denominations be obedient to God is concerning graven images. My choice has been to not wear a cross even though many Christians utilize it as a symbol of their faith for the following reasons. I should mention that I do not admonish those that do. Where Christians fall into a snare is looking upon an object as if it had any holy power of itself i.e. crucifixes as an object to fixate upon in prayer or pictures or any object held in reverence. Many rituals involve kissing these objects as part of reverence for God. II Kings 18 where Hezekiah broke the brasen serpent that Moses had made vs 4 "for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it..." is a prime example of this as something that was good becoming an object leading to sin. In the commandments the instructions are so explicit I see no gray area at all as far as graven images... Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above... 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.... I don't think this is legalism to follow this strictly. I've often thought of the picture that some artist made as to his idea of what Jesus looked like. It seems to be readily accepted by many in North America. Where did this idea come from? For all we know Satan disguised as an angel of light could portray himself as such. I see a different description of the Lord in the Song of Solomon and certainly when He returns in His glorified state. Of interest is God's instructions to Moses in Numbers 33:52 "Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places.." Can we draw a comparison with these things and feel that the Lord is not offended when such are used in worship to Him that should be done in spirit and truth? I find it interesting how the majority of angels depicted in art are decidedly female whereas we know that scripture never speaks of them as such. In Christ, John