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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (22646)11/26/1998 1:50:00 PM
From: Sam Ferguson  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Since man's spirit is an indestructible fragment of God's own mighty
Spirit, truly a tiny spark of that cosmic Intelligence and Love which we call the Mind of God, the ancients typified the divine element in man by fire and in contrast the lower or human element by water. The fiery soul of man is housed in a tenement of flesh and matter which is seven-eighths water by actual composition! The crossing of the rivers and seas and the immersion of solar heroes in water in olden mythologies, and the rite of baptism in theology, signified nothing beyond the fact of the soul's immersion in a physical body of water nature in its successive incarnations.

Now man is distinctly a creature compounded of two natures, a higher and a lower, a spiritual and a sensual, a divine and a human, a mortal and an immortal, and finally a fiery and a watery, conjoined in a mutual relationship in the organic body of flesh. Says Heraclitus: "Man is a portion of cosmic fire, imprisoned in a body of earth and water." Speaking of man Plato affirms: "Through body it is an animal; through intellect it is a god." To create man God incarnated the fiery spiritual principle of his life in the watery confines of material bodies. That is the truest basic description of man that anthropology can present. All problems spring from that foundation and are referable for solution back to it.

Man is, then, a natural man and a god, in combination. Our natural body gives the soul of man its baptism by water; our nascent spiritual body is to give us the later baptism by fire! We are born first as the natural man; then as the spiritual. Or we are born first by water and then by fire. Of vital significance at this point are two statements by St. Paul: "That was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural"; and, "First that which is natural, then that which is spiritual." Again he says: "For the natural man comprehendeth not the things of the spirit of God, neither can
he." Of course not; for he is not yet in that higher kingdom of evolution, and he must be transformed, transfigured, lifted up into a superior world of consciousness before he can cognize spiritual things. Evolution will thus transform him, and nothing else will.

Using astrological bases for portraying cosmic truths, the ancients
localized the birth of the natural man in the zodiacal house of Virgo and that of the spiritual man in the opposite house of Pisces. These then were the houses of the two mothers of life. The first was the Virgin Mother (Virgo), the primeval symbol of the Virgin Mary thousands of years B.C. Virgo gave man his natural birth by water and became known as the Water-Mother; Pisces (the Fishes by name) gave him his birth by the Fish and was denominated the Fish-Mother. The virgin mothers are all identified with water as symbol and their various names, such as Meri, Mary, Venus (born of the sea-foam), Tiamat, Typhon and Thallath (Greek for "sea") are designations for water. On the other side there are the Fish Avatars of Vishnu, such as the Babylonian Ioannes, or Dagon, and the Assyrian goddess
Atergatis was called "the Fish-Mother." Virgo stood as the mother of birth by water, or the birth of man the first, of the earth, earthy; Pisces stood as the mother of birth by spirit or fire, or the birth of man the second, described by St. Paul as "the Lord from heaven." Virgo was the water-mother of the natural man, Pisces the fish-mother of the spiritual man."

There must now be brought out an unrevealed significance of the fish symbol in the zodiac and in mythical religion. It is of astonishing import. Water is the type of natural birth because all natural birth proceeds in and from water. All first life originated in the sea water. The fish is a birth in and from the water, and it stands patently as the generic type of organic life issuing out of inorganic! The fish typifies life embodied in a physical organic structure. Organic life is born out of the water, and is
the first birth, child of the water-mother. And if organic life is in turn to become mother, its child will be mind and spiritual consciousness, son of the fish-mother! In brief, water is the mother of natural physical being, and organic structure becomes the later mother of divine mind.

Now, strangely enough, water is the type of another thing which is still more germinal of life, namely, matter. Matter is the virgin mother of all life in the aboriginal genesis. All things are generated in the womb of primordial matter, the "old genetrix" of Egyptian mythology. And it is by a consideration of the nature of matter and its evolution that we are enabled to arrive at last at the true meaning of the double motherhood of life. For oddly enough, matter is seen to exist in two states, in each of which it becomes mother of life, at two different levels. Primordial matter, the sea of (to us) empty space, is the first mother of all living forms. This is the primal "abyss of the waters" in Genesis. The Latin word for "mother" is our very word "matter," with one "t" left out--mater. And how close to mater is water! And organic structure
is the second mother, parent of spiritual mind.

The ancient books always grouped the two mothers in pairs. They were called "the two mothers" or sometimes the "two divine sisters." Or they were the wife and sister of the God, under the names of Juno, Venus, Isis, Ishtar, Cybele or Mylitta. In old Egypt they were first Apt and Neith; and later Isis and Nephthys. Massey relates Neith to "net," i.e., fish-net! Clues to their functions were picked up in the great Book of the Dead: "Isis conceived him; Nephthys gave him birth." Or: "Isis bore him; Nephthys suckled him," or reared him. The full sense of these statements was not discerned until they were scrutinized in the light of another key sentence which matched them: "Heaven conceived him; the Tuat brought him forth."
With this came the flash of clear insight into the mystery. For that which is to eventuate in the cycles of evolution as divine mind in an organic creature--man--is aboriginally conceived by divine ideation in the innermost depths of Cosmic Consciousness, or in the purely noumenal world, or again in the bosom of Infinite Spirit, where Spirit is identical with pure undifferentiated matter. This is mirrored in the Egyptian statement that Isis conceived him. Matter in its invisible, inorganic state was the womb of the first conception. Isis is virgin, i.e., pure matter, or matter sublimated to spiritual tenuity. The Tuat, on the other hand, is really earth, as the type of physical matter, or matter organic, aggregated into substantial forms, called by us physical matter. It is matter as substance,
constituted and existent in the visible world in structural forms. Isis was matter subsistent as empty space, and Nephthys was atomic matter, constituent of visible structural forms. The physical worlds which we must now think of as floating in the sea of empty space like fish in the water, are the second form of matter, and their organic bodies of substantial matter give birth to the Logoi in the solar systems and to the Christos in man. So divine spirit is conceived in the womb of Isis, the first universal mother, and brought to birth in the womb of Nephthys, the second mother, the immediate incubator and gestator of its manifest expression. One might paraphrase this situation by saying that a human child is first conceived in the love, or mind, of its parents, and later born from the womb of its physical mother. Thus life has two births and must of necessity have two mothers. Life is spiritually conceived and materially born. Or, man may be said to be born as a natural creature from spirit into matter, and born later as a spiritual god when he emerges from
his baptism in the water of the body and re-enters the bosom of his Father. Or, finally, he is born first as man, by water; and reborn later as god, by fire. And the first birth was depicted as taking place on the western side of the zodiac, in the house or womb of the Virgin Mother, Virgo, because in the west the sun, universal symbol of spiritual fire, descended into organic matter in its setting, or incarnation. So man is born as natural man on the west, to be regenerated as spiritual man on the east. Spirit's descent on the west makes it man; its resurrection on the east, like the summer sunrise, makes it deity again. This is the death and resurrection of
the god in all religions. It is incarnation and return to spirit. It is the descent of the Messiah into Egypt and his exodus back to Canaan.



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (22646)11/26/1998 11:39:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
"Israel has been brought back again as a nation for the second, final time. The politics
surrounding Israel will bring the whole world against it very shortly as prophesied for the
last days. I think what may do it is this, but it's not for certain. Iraq could strike Israel with
chemical and biological weapons because of the ineptness of the Clinton administration
and the UN. When this happens Israel will respond, probably with nuclear weapons, and
completely destroy Iraq (as prophesied must happen). This act by Israel will bring the
whole world against them out of fear. Israel will never give up their nuclear weapons,
therefore an insoluble confrontation. This will happen soon, not in a thousand years."
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You have made yourself into a prophet with these words. Did you receive them from God or from reading men's ideas? Notice carefully how Hal Lindsey has clearly become a false prophet with the passage of time and the development of history--'he who foretells the future and it doesn't come to past is a false prophet.'! I stronly urge to reconsider these half-baked statements.

You are attempting to reduce Jesus and his Holy Body--to a minor role, and at the same time, you exalted antichrist Judaism to the high place. Your mind has become captive to "Jewish fables", dispensational mythology and news mongering. You are partaking in the division of the People of God between Christian and Jew, contrary to the Word of God!('There is neither Jews nor Greek in Christ, we are all one. Circumcision is of the heart and not the flesh'---'all the promises of Abraham are in Christ Jesus')

Your weakness, Bob, is ignorance of the Word of God and infatuation with the theories of men; you want to teach what you do not understand.

Emile



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (22646)11/28/1998 5:57:00 PM
From: David fisk  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Bob, yes I too am convinced Jesus' return COULD happen at anytime. What I was trying to express is that these things have not maxed out. Like, we are in the beginning of sorrows. I.E., violence will get worse and worse, the Gospel will continue to reach more people, more languages will be translated, many will fall away, the Jews will be gathered into the KIngdom, the man of sin will come out of the difficult world condition, etc.. And to me, the strangest of all is these good and evil happenings will parallel each other

"Here is another story Jesus told: "The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer who planted good seed in his field." (Mat 13:24 NLT)

Mat 13:24: Verses 24-30. (also vs. 36-43). This parable represents the present and future state of the gospel church; Christ's care of it, the devil's enmity against it, the mixture there is in it of good and bad in this world, and the separation between them in the other world.

"But that night as everyone slept, his enemy came and planted weeds among the wheat." (Mat 13:25 NLT)
"When the crop began to grow and produce grain, the weeds also grew." (Mat 13:26 NLT)
"The farmer's servants came and told him, 'Sir, the field where you planted that good seed is full of weeds!'" (Mat 13:27 NLT)
""'An enemy has done it!' the farmer exclaimed. "'Shall we pull out the weeds?' they asked." (Mat 13:28 NLT)
""He replied, 'No, you'll hurt the wheat if you do." (Mat 13:29 NLT)
"Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds and burn them and to put the wheat in the barn.'"" (Mat 13:30 NLT)

"You should also know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times." (2 Tim 3:1 NLT)

"As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings." (Mat 24:1 NLT)
"But he told them, "Do you see all these buildings? I assure you, they will be so completely demolished that not one stone will be left on top of another!"" (Mat 24:2 NLT)

"Later, Jesus sat on the slopes of the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and asked, "When will all this take place? And will there be any sign ahead of time to signal your return and the end of the world?"" (Mat 24:3 NLT)

Our Lord having gone with his disciples to the Mount of Olives, he set before them the order
1. the times concerning the Jews,
2. the destruction of Jerusalem;
3. as to men in general till the end of the world.

As you know, there is more, much more.

David