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To: Scumbria who wrote (42332)	11/28/1998 12:28:00 PM
From: RDM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572776

Mainframes can be price at very steep increases for very small change in speed. A $5,000,000 mainframe (includinging peripherals) may be price $500,000 higher if the speed is 10% higher since in can do 10% more work. Comparisons with the Xeon must include using the value of multiple parallel CPUs and possibilities for clustered applications. It is not ignorance on the part of the corporate buyer, but little choice if he wants the highest performance through the service life of the hardware and software. If you run Oracle software that costs $30,000 on your server you can justify $2000 (and higher) cpu prices.

To: Scumbria who wrote (42332)	11/28/1998 1:47:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572776

Re: "Anand's article is fascinating. It shows that at 400 MHz Xeon at $2000, runs a full 20% faster than a $100 300 MHz Celeron. 20% performance gain at only 2000% the price!!!! It just goes to show how ignorant corporate PC buyers are, and how much promise AMD has as an investment. Intel has succeeded in creating a totally non-sensical price structure, which AMD will now use to reap rewards." Scumbria it just goes to show how ignorant you are. Do you really think IBM, Compaq, HP, DELL, etc etc are lining up to buy every Xeon they can get their hands on just because their customers are too stupid to get Anands benchmarks and see for themselves? I can just see them now smacking their foreheads in the corporate boardrooms when they realize they could have been buying 4/8-way Celeron servers instead of those 1-2meg Xeons if only they knew what you and Anand know! EP

To: Scumbria who wrote (42332)	11/28/1998 3:29:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572776

Scumbria - Re: "It shows that at 400 MHz Xeon at $2000, runs a full 20% faster than a $100 300 MHz Celeron. 20% performance gain at only 2000% the price!!!! It just goes to show how ignorant corporate PC buyers are..." I truly overestimated you, Scumbria. I thought you had at least above average intelligence ! First, a 400 MHz Xeon costs about $854 - with 512K L2 cache - NOT $2000! Second, corporate buyers don't buy a Xeon for PCs ! The Xeon is targeted at workstations and servers where its SMP CAPABILITY - not showcased by Anand's simple Winstone tests - put Intel's XEON in a Price/Performance class unequaled by any competitor. Your dump on the Xeon shows your state of denial or inability to properly analyze CPUs, performance, applications and intended use. Paul