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To: O'Hara who wrote (22715)	11/28/1998 2:52:00 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Shalom, I did study the Tenach as well, at one time I had to memorize about 400 chapters thereof. My interest in the Tenach is 10 times greater than in the Talmud (which consists actually of the Mishna and the Gemara), and it is more literal than theological. I tried to read the New Testament as well, but I had access only to a Hebrew version, and frankly, the quality of the Hebrew was so poor, I could not complete a single chapter in any of the books I sampled. I figured, if the apostles could not even covey an idea in a good literary fashion, they have no message of interest to me. I am, however, toying with the idea of finally completing the trilogy with my own "Last Testament". Zeev

To: O'Hara who wrote (22715)	11/28/1998 3:45:00 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 39621

Shalom, as for the "rare steak", the point I was trying to make is that the Talmud is more interested in prescribing "ways of life" that assure the followers of Judaism that they do not violate the God's law, the Torah. In the case of the "rare steak", the whole concept of "meliha" (salting) meats prior to consumption is dissected and ressected numerous times, all just to follow "Ve'et ha dam lo ...." (and the blood you shall not consume). As far as I am concerned, the various citations relating to Jesus are part of the Talmudic scholars efforts to assure that the command "Lo taasu temunah...", thou shall not make an image ... is followed to the "T" and not violated. If you put yourself in the Rabbis shoes of the Talmudic period (about 150 to 499 C.E.), Christianity with its ideology of trinity was a regression from monotheism back half way to paganism. Monotheism was very tough to accept (witness the fact that even some of the Leviites could not stick easily with it and followed golden calf in the desert, and innumerous other citations of regression from monotheism in the pre Christian era), and the Talmudic sages had to take a negative stance in face of apostolic claims to the unique origin of the new "prophet" elevated by them to actual deity. Now they were faced again with people praying to images rather then to an absolute single deity. Thus, I am not surprised that they allocated some 35 passages to what they considered a "religious contamination". Later religious writing had similar criticism for other Messianic movements (such as Shabtai Zvi (around 1660 C.E.), but really starting with Zerubbabel, of the House of David, 500 years B.C.E.). I could name some 10 to 15 various "Messiahs" over the last 2500 years, including one, Judah the Galilean, 10 years before Christ birth, developed the concept of inaugurating the reign of the "Kingdom of Heaven" for God's elected people here and now. He with the Pharisee Saddok were founders of the Zealots, another maligned sect in "traditional Jewish circle" of the time (see Josephus Flavius writings). The point is, that those 35 so called "blasphemies" are teachings designed to prevent contamination of the Jewish faith with old pagan ideas of Gods duality (essentially an old Persian faith, taken on by some Issic Jewish sects of the time) and the new "Trinity" another non monotheistic concept threatening, according to those Talmudic scholars, the essence of monotheistic Judaism. Take those 35 citations and compare these to the thousands of lies and inaccuracies promulgated about the Jews by various Church leaders from some of the early popes to Turqomeda, the silence of Pius XII and the countless authors of various blood libels. Which way does your scale of justice tilt now? Zeev