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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22743)	11/28/1998 8:03:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Augustine declared: The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus.8 The status of the Jew was thus no more than that of an animal, as Peter the Venerable, Abbot of Cluny, declared to the faithful: Truly I doubt whether a Jew can be really human... I lead out from its den a monstrous animal and show it as a laughing stock in the amphitheatre of the world. I bring thee forward, thou Jew, thou brute beast, in the sight of all men.15 Soon before the Church's Fourth Lateran Council, held in 1215 CE, Pope Innocent III condemned the Jews to eternal slavery by decreeing: The Jews, against whom the blood of Jesus Christ calls out, although they ought not to be killed, lest the Christian people forget the Divine Law, yet as wanderers ought they remain upon the earth, until their countenance be filled with shame.16 The doctrines and teachings of the Church from its beginnings to the Fourth Lateran Council, laid the initial layer of ‘ Jew hatred' and took the Jewish people all the way to Holocaust. This first step began with the attempt to drive Jews either into Christianity or into a place of non-identity, as Judaism was no longer recognized as a valid religion. By doing so, the Church clearly defined antisemitism's first characteristic - “You have no right to live among us as Jews.” Judaism was declared an apostate and superseded religion and the Jews had now lost their right to exist. However, the Jews did exist and so the Church needed a reason for their continued existence. If their failure to recognize the Christ resulted in their dispersion and if Christianity had superceded Judaism in being a “light to the gentiles”, then why were the Jews around at all? The Church concluded that the reason Jews survived was to prove the truth of Christianity. They were to be around always, to be persecuted, vulnerable, wanderers on the earth without a home, as proof of God's wrath upon them. The condition of the Jews was to be a negative witness to their crime of deicide. This was the purpose of their existence. The Jews, therefore, were forever, everywhere, responsible for his death collectively because they are a wicked nation. Furthermore, the calamities that befell Jewry - the destruction of the Temple and the dispersion - were seen as having Christological import, pointing to what Christians saw as just desserts for killing Christ. fan.net.au

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22743)	11/28/1998 9:07:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22743)	11/28/1998 10:44:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Emile, If God intended for us to study these men He would have included it in the Bible. You can sway this way and that to suite your intent but the Bible is enough for me. See I do not read Talmud nor your Martyrs I only read the scriptures. Many of the people you quote obviously should have spent more time in the Word of God to see there errors. You hold these mere men in such high esteem that it is no wonder you think the Talmud has so much influence. See some people can think for themselves and prefer to read the Word of God without the opinions of other men. St. Ignatious is nothing more than you are I are, a person that makes errors and needs the Lord. So stop with these crazy men and stick to the word of God with a clear mind to hear of His love. IMO you are using the concern of a phoney religion taking people to hell as an excuse for your hate. The Lord Jesus does not need you, you need Him. He will save people regardless of you and your Martyrs that are so full of lies and deception. BTW Paul ( Rav Shaul) continued to practice Judaism in its true form for his entire life. So did Peter (Kefa),and John (Yohanon). See Jesus was the perfect representation of the Torah and Judaism the problem that existed was in the understanding of men of the word of God. I promise you that God does not disdain or forsake any of His word as you try to portray Him as doing. Nancy P.S. Another one of your famous misquotes of me is that I think God will favor the Jews over the Church. I believe God loves all the works of His hands the same, what I am saying is that He has a plan and that is where we disagree.