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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22768)	11/29/1998 6:47:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile I congratulate you on having the guts to admit that your beliefs are on the same page as white supremacists. The flip side is that this exchange is now on the permanent record of SI, and no matter how you try to change flit around the dark edges of what you have admitted to, it is here for pemanent recall. You will no longer have even a semblance of creibility amongst any free and right thinking people, be they christian, jew, muslim, white,black, or any othere race, religion, or creed. You no more represent the main stream of christianity, than I do. mark

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (22768)	11/29/1998 7:39:00 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, I forgive you, I cannot condemn the ignorants, it is their not their fault that they know not the truth. Claiming that modern Judaism, as you state "Ridicule and blasphemy of Christ is the central foundational stone of the modern Jewish religion.", is concerned about Christianity and its blasphemy is absolutely ridicule. One of the Talmudic sages was Rabbi Akiva (by the way, he almost annointed a Messiah himself, when in the presence of the leader of the anti Roman rebelion (132-135 C.E.), Bar Kokhba, Akiva would say "This is the King Messiah" (TJ, Ta'an. 4:8, 68d). When Akiva was challenged by a farmer, stating: "Rabbi, I toil all days in the fields and have no time to study all the commandments and all the rules by which to live as a good Jew, could you teach me while I am standing on one foot the essence of Judaism?", to which Rabbi Akiva replied with infinite patience: "Stand on one foot" and then proceeded with the essence of Judaism citing very simply from the Bible: "Ve'ahavta le re'eicha camocha" (meaning, and thou shall love your neighbor as you love yourself), and now the farmer being back on his two feet, the Rabbi said: "if you do that and only that, you will discharge all your responsibilities as a Jew toward the almighty and toward your fellow man. If you knew that simple beautiful story you would not be rambling here about Jewish conspiracies against Christ and Christiandom, you would simply wonder at the simplicity of the Jewish faith and probably, while not being ready mentally to adopt it, you would be in awe with its innate beauty. You want the essence of Judaism? Listen to Rabbi Akiva: "and thou shall love your neighbor as you love yourself", by the way, a direct commandment from the almighty, an essential part of the scribes in the holy Tefilin a praying Jew will put on his forehead and right arm once a day, and scribed inside the Mezuza which is affixed to his abode's front door and kissed every time he enters or exit his abode. This is what is important in Judaism, if it was not, why so many repetition? Every single Jewish prayer session must include recitation of this passage. If you do not know, the prayer "Shema" has that citation as its opening (after the call "Oh Listen Israel, Adonai is our God, Adonai is One"). This was the prayer on the lips of millions going to their death in Treblinka and Auschitz, this was the prayer on my lips when seeing the first American jeeps rolling over the hills in southern Ardennes late in 1944, this was the prayer on the lips of every Jewish martyr burned at the stake by the Inquisition, this prayer, my dear friend, and nothing else, is the essence of Judaism. And yes, I have earned the right to recite it. I am a Jew, and a very proud Jew, proud of the high moral tradition of Judaism. I am not bothered by the fact that Judaism gave birth to other, less moral religions (after all, "holy wars" and the killing of humans in the name of god are not an essential part of Judaic tradition, it was masterminded during the crussades and later the counter crussades Jihads (and their present evolutions) like Christianity and Islam, but please, Emile, let me stay with my faith and my "Shema Israel ...", I need no other "salvation". Zeev