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To: Grainne who wrote (26432)	12/2/1998 1:19:00 AM
From: E	Respond to of 108807

Christine, I don't follow the Holocaust denial web, so I don't know what use is being made of the work of Israel Shahak. I suspect the worst, because he is an unsparing critic of current Israeli policies, and he makes reference to aspects of Jewish history-- like the role of the Judenrat-- which are unpleasant and sad to contemplate. I agree that it is entirely normal for people in treacherous, life threatening situations to do what is required to survive. There are some heroes, but not so many. Shahak never loses sight of the fact that the collaborators were operating under coercion. He is protesting the failure in the Israeli educational account of the Holocaust to admit or acknowledge fully such aspects of the Jewish tragedy. This is important to him not only because he honors truth, but because judgments are being made on the present conduct of Palestinians asserting their rights under difficult conditions in Israel. Within the Palestinian resistance, the treatment of informers and collaborators has, at times, mirrored what went on in certain periods of the Jewish resistance to Hitler. He wants that understood. I think Shahat's main point is not that collaborators were more treacherous, but that Jews as well as Palestinians had a special hate for collaborators; and that it would be well for contemporary Israelis, in their reactions to Palestinian attitudes toward collaborators in their midst, to keep in mind their own painful history, and thereby be able to see the Palestinians with more understanding. I agree with everything you say in your last two paragraphs, and Shahak would, too. E's h-- aka N.

To: Grainne who wrote (26432)	12/4/1998 6:28:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, I agree with you, both about the Jewish experience during WWII and in Israel/Palestine. I was very surprised to hear a Jewish man I know recently defending the ouster of the Palestinians after WWII on the grounds that the Palestinians "lived in tents," "were nomadic," and "did not need the land, unlike farmers." I explained to him that the Palestinians lived in villages, some were farmers, some had shops, they were not nomads. But he already knew everything, so it was in vain.