Emile,
Thank you for your warm welcome and prayers. There are very much appreciated.
"I went through the entire book of Hebrew's and many other Old Testament prophecies that you were attempting to apply to modern Judaism and showed you clearly where Jesus had fulfilled them and you basically avoided them and came back with a few verses here and there to make your point--at least these were my feelings at the time. "
I humbly disagree with you. I avoided nothing except opinions and views not scripurally based. Any scriptural points made, I would not and will not ever avoid.
I base my knowledge off of God's word alone, the bible! It's the only perfect, inerrant book worth studying. Any human is prone to many mistakes. It's of course due to our sin nature. So when looking into looking into the meaning of scripture, let's use scripture to tell us. It is of course God's voice!
A few points in review:
I asked you to define the House of Israel and the House of Judah in context to Hebrews 8:8-12 and Jeremiah 31:31-34. You defined it as the Faith of Abraham SEED. I showed you in context to those scriptures mentioned, along with the rest of the bible, that your definition of Israel/Judah does not make logical sense on its own, or for that matter maybe at all, in the forementioned scripture. I asked to apply your definition to the actual scriptures in Jeremiah and you never attempted it or approached it. If your definition makes sense it must make sense contextually.
Along with that I showed you that salvation was the same in both the Old & New Testament and you never refuted that. In fact you never provided any proof to the contrary that it was not. And this principal alone exposes your definition of House of Israel/Judah to major, major holes.
Let's read scripture:
Chapter Gal.3
1: O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been
evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2: This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3: Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4: Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5: He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by
the hearing of faith?
6: Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7: Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8: And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9: So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in
all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11: But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12: And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13: Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that
hangeth on a tree:
14: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the
Spirit through faith.
15: Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth,
or addeth thereto.
16: Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to
thy seed, which is Christ.
17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty
years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18: For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise
was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20: Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21: Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life,
verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22: But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23: But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24: Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25: But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ
Jesus.
29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Now, if anyone has avoided and ignored, it's you my friend. Hey, and that's your business with God. And you will account to him one day, about your position of the Jews and your ignorance into the scripture about them. I will have to account for many things, inaccuracies and mistakes as well. But when I do, I will you use scripture to do it. And I will show an honest and whole-hearted attempt to explain my position, with his God's words as my evidence. I might still be wrong, but I want God to know I attempted to understand with God in mind. But I will try my hardest not to let predujudices, pride and selfishness get in the way. And Emile, that's what's in the way with you understanding how the Jews fit into God's plan.
Enough said......
God Bless You,
Steve |
