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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (16803)	12/2/1998 6:34:00 PM
From: sea_biscuit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Ms. Harris : I think it doesn't matter as to who made the mistake -- Starr, or the Republicans in Congress. What does matter is that they made the mistake and the whole thing blew up in their faces! :-) :-) Even though it is the faceless Congress that is being blamed right now, the Republicans had more sense immediately after the elections and blamed Newt Gingrich for the mistake (and went on to behead him, but not before he called them "cannibals"! ;-) ). It is now left to the rest of them to continue their glorious tradition by making newer, bigger mistakes! We should be happy to let them shoot themselves in their a**es, shouldn't we?! ;-)

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (16803)	12/2/1998 6:34:00 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

<<I said, I take responsibility for the actions of people around me and for any activity under my watch.>> Huh! That's not what you said when Colleen sent me those nice messages. You said you were out of the loop! Huh!

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (16803)	12/2/1998 7:06:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 67261

>When I say "the actions of the people around me" I am saying more than just activity under my watch. I am referring to activities that I might happen to only know of. If something is wrong, and I know about it, and I do nothing to stop it, then I am responsible.< The problems here are manifold. Starr was in no position to claim what Congress did was "Wrong". He may have disagreed with it, and in retrospect may think he perhaps should have registered his disagreement; but he had no authority to declare Congress' legal actions "Wrong". He did not have any obligation whatever to even register his disagreement, indeed he may not have been settled on the issue at the time of the publication. >Especially true if someone produces something, whether it is a document as in this case, or a computer program or whatever. Starr produced the document, he is responsible in my book.< It is just such "books" that makes the United States the educational armpit of the developed world. On no reasonable principle can we claim Starr responsible for Congress. He produced evidence in the course of dispatching his duty to the Congress. Upon delivering that evidence to Congress his responsibility ended. Had Congress decided to commit a crime and Starr knew of it, then perhaps you would have a case. But this would be true regardless of whether the potential crime had anything to do with the report. >I disagree. He had a moral obligation to this country. He embarrassed the entire country with that document, and undermined foreign affairs etc with it.< Starr embarrassed no one. Bill Clinton and Congress embarrassed the country. Starr was asked to investigate. He did. Clinton in effect said to everyone and to everyone's courts: "I did not lie because I did not have sex". Starr in return and in effect said to CONGRESS "The President said he did not lie because he did not have sex. But the evidence states otherwise. I must first hold my nose to deliver it, and I must say I am shocked that the President is such a scumbag, but the evidence resoundingly refutes the President's contention that he did not lie because he did not have sex. The President definitely had sex and therefore he definitely lied." Then CONGRESS, both Republicans and Democrats effectively said "Well. Since Clinton made his statements public, the public has a right to know if the evidence supports him. Lets put the report on the Web in all its glory for the world to see." Then people read it. LIBERALS became all holy and pure all of a sudden. "Oooh. Dass pawnahgrufy! Yucky pooh! I jez caint be havin no pawnahgrufy around me. I mean sho nuff deah is REAL pawnahgrufy own de internet, but dass different. Dat be good stuff. It don't be embarrassin our man lak dis Stah repoht be doin." REASONABLE people read the report and said "No sex, you filthy scum? Whaddabout dis!! No sex you disgustin' fiend? Whaddabout dat!!! No sex, you lyin' snot rag? Whaddabout dis!" And FRANCE said "President Clinton is an honorary Frenchman." LOL (I gotta go - LOL)